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# Christian says :
18 September, 2007 [ 21:21 ]
OOps looks like Jesus missed the toilet again when he laid this one... He should be more careful. It was only last month when he caused an earthquake by farting.
# beto says :
19 September, 2007 [ 03:49 ]
Is this really possible?
http://gps-mobile-tracking.com/
# David says :
19 September, 2007 [ 09:41 ]
Christian,
Your comments are off base just a little. You should be more mindful of others with your commentary. I am not religious in the least but I would not insult others in the way you just have.
David
# Michael says :
19 September, 2007 [ 09:50 ]
I agree. Have some more respect. There are other ways of joking, disrespect is not amusing.
# me says :
19 September, 2007 [ 09:54 ]
Have you heard the phrase "freedom of speech"? Stop crying religion comes in many different forms and some would find jesus insulting if they believe in something else.
# Watchful says :
19 September, 2007 [ 11:28 ]
Free Jesus!
The poor guy is such a scapegoat for so many things.
The man lived. The man died.
Leave him alone already...
# Focused says :
19 September, 2007 [ 11:51 ]
Does ANYONE want to talk about the freaking meteorite!?!?!?!?!
# Chill out... says :
19 September, 2007 [ 11:54 ]
If you know Jesus, why are you so hyperreactive to any commentary about him?
I thought your faith in Jesus equates to patience, love, understanding?
no?
I love the dogma warnings in here veiled under the pretence of 'respect'. If anyone talks smack about your god, whatcha gonna do? Invade Iraq? Bomb Iran? Oh, I know, get all sensitive and protective in the name of God? Because you soooo know God? really?
Know your faith, walk in it and don't shove your hyperreactive sensitivities here. We all have free will and the guy was joking.
You don't think Jesus created laughter? sarcasm? LEVITY? no? Lighten up (vs. Darken down.)
If you want to throw your faith around, show your faith instead.
I thought the commentary was funny! Cheers!
Love,
A Christian that is over the Christians ready to have stupid fights over words and ready to blow up the world under the idea that it would be JUSTICE.
Bass Ackwards!
# Michael says :
19 September, 2007 [ 12:25 ]
Whoaaaaaaa, huge tangent buddy. How did we get to Iraq and Iran? Seems you've got some issues. Hope they get resolved before you go shooting someone.
Cheers mate.
# David says :
19 September, 2007 [ 12:44 ]
I'm willing to talk about this in the forum if anyone would like to carry it over.
If any of these comments were pointed at me I think you should have read my words more carefully. "I" am not religious and i just think the comments were in bad taste. A joke? Maybe, but bad taste none the less.
David
# Tommy says :
19 September, 2007 [ 12:48 ]
SUPERMAN HAS FINALLY ARRIVED AND HE IS IN A CAPSULE SUBMERGED BENEATH THE WATER IN THAT CRATER!!!!!!
# B. Shark says :
19 September, 2007 [ 13:36 ]
Well, if we don't kill ourselves looks like the universe is working things out for us.
Did anyone see the Celestine Prophecy? Hmmm... Peru, What's really going on here??? And to think we’re all so caught up in some jackass making a comment, no wonder the world is going to hell. WAKE UP PEOPLE!Stop being distracted, that’s the evil game.
# Scooter says :
19 September, 2007 [ 13:49 ]
Why do we always have to bring religion into everythng its not magic. its physical, a big rock from space entered our atmosphere and crashed to our planet its not because god or anybody else is pissed and as the end of our precession nears you better get used to more rocks
# Karen says :
19 September, 2007 [ 13:59 ]
Christian, a real one would not speak such things about Him. Be warned - you'll stand before Him someday and I hope you are not ashamed when it happens. I will pray for your salvation.
# americorps says :
19 September, 2007 [ 14:00 ]
me says :
19 September, 2007 [ 09:54 ]Have you heard the phrase "freedom of speech"? Stop crying religion comes in many different forms and some would find jesus insulting if they believe in something else.
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You seem to not understand freedom of speech. No one said you were not free to say it, but freedom of speech does not mean you are free to avoid criticism. I am a Christian, but I was not offended by your comment, I just considered it immature. I am offended that you falsly hide behind freedom of speech when instead what you want is not to have to suffer any consequences for saying anything you want. You do not have such a freedom, we are all responsible for the reactions to what we say.
And anyway, it looks like God, and mybe Jesus will be a co-defendent, is also not immune from consequences to their actions as is noted in the case below...Nebraska State Senator Sues God
-- Seeks Permanent Injunction Against Almighty
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/18/
national/main3271308.shtml
# Mike says :
19 September, 2007 [ 15:20 ]
What fools these mortals be! While you're arguing incessantly about your gods (status quo for humankind), meteors are pelting the earth.
This article states the meteor has no harmful content. I wonder how they've established that? If any of the readership is not wasting time arguing about faith and religion, they might want to check out panspermia.org - a fascinating possibility indeed!
# robert smith says :
19 September, 2007 [ 16:01 ]
The initial comment is uncalled for. I find it very interesting that the meteorite landed on earth. It is very interesting that there are ramifications to people's health. This should be interesting for followup in some form or other. What's causing the health problems? I have been interested in astronomy as an amateur since we moved out to the country from the big city and I saw the heavens as they really are. WOW! was my response, even today. I was twelve years old when that happened. Two to three years earlier I saw the large meteorite that struck in Canada. We even heard the sound of it. I was standing in the middle of E. Lewiston on Ferndale, Michigan. I thought originally it hit at the end of the street until I read the paper the next day. That was scarey to say the least for a nine (or ten) year old kid.
# --d says :
19 September, 2007 [ 17:03 ]
Around 1964 I saw and heard explosive noises from a bolide in late afternoon that was as bright as the sun, but smaller, in the northwest sky if I recall. That was in northern New Jersey, and might be the one that landed in Canada; it was seen by many in upstate New York and generally along the Eastern Seaboard of the US.The loud thunder- like sounds that made me turn and see the object might have been sonic booms. I could see pieces breaking off the main chunk and creating separate trails. As about an 8-year old, I could only imagine that it was a plane burning and exploding in midair, until seeing the evening news.This Peruvian incident raises questions like, how did the geophysicist determine that there is a chondritic object at the bottom of the crater; were radio station *skips* detected, distant station broadcasts bounding off the ionized meteorite trail; could it be not a meteorite crater but a small volcanic eruption of mud and / gas (rather than lava and ash), such as hydrogen sulphide or sulphur dioxide, which could easily cause health effects on local citizens and livestock (i.e., is the area known for volcanic activity)?
# huygens says :
19 September, 2007 [ 17:15 ]
Yes indeed, maybe the meteorite has nanobes or full-blown bacteria, brought here via panspermia. Very good. Three years back a man named Richard Hoover discovere forms resembling terrestrial cyanobacteria (blue-green algae) in the Orgueil meteorite, whose parent rock was likely the core of a comet. There has been discussion lately that organisms in our neighborhood first assembled in the bellies of comets whose cores had enough radioactivity to maintain mantles of liquid water following the time when matter in the solar accretion disk began to 'clump' together (today comets are mantled by ice). It's speculation, of course, but we can at least estimate the volume of water on Earth during the Hadean eon and compare it with the volume of ice in our solar system's comets, and find the latter to be the prime breeding ground for prebiotic chemistry. Naturally, assume water is necessary to organic life. Could be Jesus though. Theist or nontheist, don't be pious.
# --d says :
19 September, 2007 [ 17:31 ]
Thanks for the perspectives, huygens.http://panspermia.org/raises some old questions; at least a couple of decades ago it was found that certain mushroom spores, for example, seem capable of surviving prolonged conditions of vacuum, cold, and radiation: traveling through Space. They can be small and light enough that burning up in planetary atmosphere re-entries might not be so much of an issue. Without playing the religion card, Genesis. (Good song, too, Jorma.)
# gcmiles says :
19 September, 2007 [ 18:06 ]
Or.... is it possible that this could have been a 'satellite part'? Hence some early references to 'radiation sickness' and the hospitalization of the policemen who are said to have handled samples of the 'whatever'.
It would indeed be nice if someone REALLY followed up with something like a 'Freedom of Information' request if there is such a thing in Peru.
In any case, if this story 'gets 'buried' - as in becoming a non-story, or ends up as two sentences on the inside back page of the newspaper -this will probably mean there's a coverup;-) Not to mention 'the Fire' that always proceeds a'smoking gun';-)
Let us that trust the journalists who broke this story stay on it, as the whole world 'should be' interested. And by the by, one would think that something which caused a hole that big would have been accompanied by 'thunder-like' sounds as well. Is there anything anything on that aspect of this happening.
Ciao,
G*+*
# --d says :
19 September, 2007 [ 19:11 ]
CNN TV just confirmed that it was a meteorite, so it has to be true. If I heard it correctly, there was no detectable hazard.There was that Soviet satellite that did not completely burn up in re-entry around 20 years ago. A fellow I had once met at an experiential education convention happened to be skiing alone across a vast part of the Far North and found parts of it, if he didn't actually see them hit. He got a lot of publicity over it, and probably even more questions. The USSR would have wanted to know how much he knew. USA even more so.There was concern about radioactive sources of heat and electricity having powered the satellite, which was not uncommon at the time but is, I hope, avoided these days for just this reason. The source isotopes were sometimes baked into ceramic briquets that would not vaporize in re-entry and cause hazardous fallout.*An engineer from the Peruvian Nuclear Energy Institute told AFP news agency that no radiation had been detected from the crater. He ruled out any possibility that the fallen object might be a satellite.*http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7001897.stmRather a sweeping ruling- out, perhaps.Again, not religiously but figuratively, Thank God for solar panels.
# Lightkeeper says :
19 September, 2007 [ 23:46 ]
A couple of days ago, some policemen picked up samples of the the meteorite. A chondritic meteorite is usually easy to identify by visual examination due to the presence of chondrules, so the story is quite likely accurate. Any harmful "gas" probably came from the ground or ground water.
# gcmiles says :
20 September, 2007 [ 01:42 ]
Thank you for the updates folks.
It will be great to eventually see a picture of the meteorite itself, and to hear more about this whole occurrance from a reputable scientific body or university in Peru.
Its good to hear that the villagers in the area are reported to be feeling better after treatment. It would also be nice to hear one of them relate the experience as it happened during the day; Their visual and aural experience of the event. Heck, perhaps someone even had a digital camcorder.
In any case, thanks!
Ciao.G+
# Mogens Winther says :
20 September, 2007 [ 02:05 ]
<It will be great to eventually see a picture of the meteorite itself, and <to hear more about this whole occurrance from a reputable scientific <body or university in Peru.
in case such images really do exist ?
I just wonder why everybody concentrates on a smelly muddy hole in the ground - but nobody talks about the meteorite itself ?
According to previous reports this chondrite has been recovered ? But why don't we see any tracks due to the heavy equipment needed for such a muddy recovery ?
Until that is apparent - this is nothing but another phantasy / fake.
best regards - MW
# John says :
20 September, 2007 [ 06:46 ]
They need to keep and analyze the water as well. What is the isotopic ratio of heavy water to normal water? What is in solution? Comets are generally thought to have lots of water ice. Carbonaceous chondrites have lots of organics. Many stones are around, but the liquids are precious and I know of none that have been preserved.
# Mogens Winther says :
20 September, 2007 [ 08:38 ]
Surely - but how come that this has not been done already ?
How come that we have seem no images, no isotopic analysis, absolutely nothing of that "glowing" meteorite ?
Even though it was is apparently classified as chondrite so early ?
Any chondrite having smelly organic molecules would surely be worth a huge scientific investigation - but again - this story has apparently nothing more in it than another internet phantasy/rumour.
mw
# Am chilling... says :
20 September, 2007 [ 09:07 ]
This story will go away....whatever comes in from the cosmos tends to get used to either create new and improved clorox(or the like) or defense weapons.
There will be no transparency, no open reporting that regards what actually happened. As far as the meteorite being present, don't they fully disintegrate upon reaching earth? aka no meteorite, just particles... It would also be of interest to do follow up reporting on the people post-sickness...what if they were infected with bacteria - what is the effect thereafter? I am sure far smarter, more ambitious persons than I will be pursuing that question....or should be.
What if the 'chosen' 500 that were infected are now the new SuperPeruvian? They now have laser eyeballs that can blow things up....its still not as funny as God having bowell movements.
# Expert says :
20 September, 2007 [ 11:16 ]
In the best of videos you have seen on this story there are some light grey fragments or 'sand' from the meteorite on the crater rim. And also a person holding a lot of these small fragments in the palm of his hand, picking them up, studying them. The usual black fusion crust seems also to be easily visible on some of them.
I would go so far as to say it is of the type Ordinary chondrite type L5/L6, but this is not certain. Better images needed.
The reason why no good information has come up, is that the media is not trained for such an event, nor is the goverment there. This is too bad...
Also I would say that the crater bear any resemblance to a very high energy event, that would come out of a meteorite this big. Only a large bomb could have done this otherwise.
And all this seems to prove that this is the *largest stony* meteorite ever recovered. It will be fun to see what they will find digging deep under the crater. Maybe 10 tons or bigger?
# MW says :
20 September, 2007 [ 12:37 ]
It is possible that the metiorite could have hit something like a sewer/pipe line (assuming they have them in this area)?
# cristiano Maidana Vianna says :
20 September, 2007 [ 14:18 ]
Incrivél pena que morando perto não possa ir ver este acontecimento.
Acho interesante as outoridades não terem visto isto nos radares.
Obrigado.....
# gcmiles says :
20 September, 2007 [ 21:40 ]
This is getting better amigos.
Am Chillin' says, and I too join him in asking/prompting
"It would also be of interest to do follow up reporting on the people post-sickness...what if they were infected with bacteria - what is the effect thereafter? I am sure far smarter, more ambitious persons than I will be pursuing that question....or should be."
You betcha. if this story is true I wonder why someone from NASA's Exobiology department isn't already there. As well as Centres For Disease control macro and micro bacteriologists.
As 'Expert' says rightly,
> "... the media is not trained for such an event, nor is the goverment there. This is too bad...
That's for sure!
> Also I would say that the crater bear any resemblance to a very high energy event, that would come out of a meteorite this big. Only a large bomb could have done this otherwise."
That is why I was asking for some local witness accounts. But I guess this is mostly an ex-pat, English community of readers. Nevertheless, if there is someone living in Peru who could give us anything more, great! And again as 'Expert' infers below, if this is real and handled properly, it may be a very important story! And perhaps also a heck of a huge meteorite.
> " And all this seems to prove that this is the *largest stony* meteorite ever recovered. It will be fun to see what they will find digging deep under the crater. Maybe 10 tons or bigger?"
Where's Indiana Jones, or better yet Laura Croft!!!![]()
But really, I'm enjoying both this thread and the story.
Ciao,
Gary *+*
# --d says :
21 September, 2007 [ 15:02 ]
Translating cristiano Maidana Vianna's above Portuguese to English viahttp://babelfish.altavista.com/trand my own guesses:*Unbelievable penalty that living close cannot go to see this event. I find interesting the authorities not to have seen this in the radars. Thanks.*Sounds like a comment from close to the impact site.
# --d says :
21 September, 2007 [ 15:22 ]
From:http://www.spaceweather.com/PERUVIAN METEORITE: Astronomers and geologists are increasingly convinced that a meteorite did land in Peru last weekend. Iron-rich magnetic fragments have been recovered from the curiously-wet crater and impact signals have been found in South American seismic records. Sensational reports that a shot-down US spy satellite made the crater seem to be incorrect.
# gcmiles says :
21 September, 2007 [ 23:02 ]
Thanks d,
for both the translation - that leads oine to wonder 'why' folks were being kept away. and further, makes it all the more amazing that this ever hit the news. And-the spaceweather.com piece which brings up what I'd simply guessed at several days back, that indeed, it might just have been either a part of a sattellite or the whole enchilada.
sounds like a real X-File.but really, as some of those above like huygens said ,
"Yes indeed, maybe the meteorite has nanobes or full-blown bacteria, brought here via panspermia. Very good. Three years back a man named Richard Hoover discovere forms resembling terrestrial cyanobacteria (blue-green algae) in the Orgueil meteorite, whose parent rock was likely the core of a comet. There has been discussion lately that organisms in our neighborhood first assembled in the bellies of comets whose cores had enough radioactivity to maintain mantles of liquid water following the time when matter in the solar accretion disk began to 'clump' together ..."
And... as to further queries...now I understand better what 'John' said below...as it seems particularly prescient, for even spaceweather.com is still calling the liquid in the impact crater "dirty water" hmmm. what is who hiding?....
'John' said >They need to keep and analyze the water as well. What is the isotopic ratio of heavy water to normal water? What is in solution? Comets are generally thought to have lots of water ice. Carbonaceous chondrites have lots of organics. Many stones are around, but the liquids are precious and I know of none that have been preserved.>
So let's hope someone who didn't like the 'smell' didn't prematurely drain off and dispose of what could well be panspermic essences of who knows what? This is why I'd love to hear from an EXO-Biologist on this.
Anywho..thanks for the updates 'd'...I'm quite sure we've stumbled across a a very very interesting occurrance.
Ciao,
Gary*+* from Vancouver Island , BC, Canada
# frustrated with the world says :
23 September, 2007 [ 20:27 ]
i'm stuck in a world where 90% of people are idiots (including the ones who run everything) and believe in a bunch of different all-knowing beings and the few logical ones aren't even allowed to vent by making fun of them.
# John says :
24 September, 2007 [ 05:56 ]
National Geographic says the sickness was arsenic fumes.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070921-meteor-peru.html
Maybe it was an alien spacecraft with gallium arsenide semiconductor solar panels?
# John says :
24 September, 2007 [ 05:56 ]
National Geographic says the sickness was arsenic fumes.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070921-meteor-peru.html
Maybe it was an alien spacecraft with gallium arsenide semiconductor solar panels?
# David says :
24 September, 2007 [ 09:30 ]
Frustrated with the world, I really could not agree with you more. We are in a difficult spot. But if someone feels there is a god or gods out there does not make them a bad person. Many of my friends swear there is a god and they are fine loving people.
I just think we should respect what they think and feel as we want out thoughts respected.
My mom thinks there is a god (god help her) and I would not disrespect her for thinking it.
David
# --d says :
24 September, 2007 [ 10:06 ]
http://www.spaceweather.com/ARSENIC FUMES: What made Peruvian villagers sick on Sept 16th when a meteorite struck near Lake Titicaca?Arsenic fumes. According to Peru's Mining, Metallurgy, and Geology Institute, the crash site coincides with a natural underground deposit of arsenic. Visitors to the crater inhaled fumes resulting in headaches and nausea. Sensational reports attributing the crater and the illnesses to a downed radioactive spy satellite were unfounded.<><><><><><><><><><><><>Hmm; awful lot of arsenic in the ground there. I'd think the surface and ground water would be killing people, plants, and livestock right and left. Long time ago I was commanded to spray a light arsenic compound diluted in lots of water onto poison ivy. It killed everything it touched. I later read that it is carcinogenic. I'm suspicious of this explanation. Sounds like the old Swamp Gas brushoff after multitiudes of people saw the same identical but unidentified flying object.
# The Government says :
24 September, 2007 [ 12:47 ]
Don't listen to "--d", he is just an illusion created by moonlight reflecting off swamp gas and weather baloons. Besides, this "--d", who doesn't exist remember, will be shipped off to a CIA detention camp very soon, as will YOU if you don't remain fearful of the terrorists and such.
Remember, the Government knows best - keep working hard, we love you, do what we say or we'll kill you all.
Thank you.
The Govt.
# gcmiles says :
25 September, 2007 [ 00:55 ]
Hola Govern-mental,
No need to scare us allHa! Ha! I trust you're simply introducing a bit of levity into this thread.
My take is that perhaps in reaching out, someone just may express, find, or intuit the Truth of this happening. Stranger things have happened when freedom of thought blossomed and gave forth the wondrous scent of it's 'now strange' fruit.
But a 'd' insinuates, if the gov't's are saying 'arsenic', I'm about as skeptical as he is, as as 'John say..
>Maybe it was an alien spacecraft with gallium arsenide semiconductor solar panels?<
Maybe. if the story is continuuing this long, then there's most likely something behind all the ink it's getting, though not necessarily what 'the Government' wishes us to believe. Therfore..I am still reaching out to anyone who may have an aquaintance, friend in the area, or contact (regarding this occurrance) -to speak up, come forward and give the world some eye or ear-witness reports.
Thanks for your continuuing interest 'd'. And again, it's amazing even this little bit that we have has 'gotten out'.
Best to all,
Ciao.
Gary *+*
# gcmiles says :
25 September, 2007 [ 01:26 ]
Hello again,
Been goggling this some more.
And indeed! it is a RARE event. Here's a story from AP that answers a few more questions. Ans of course, poses others.
Meteorite caused crater in Peru
By MONTE HAYES, Associated Press Writer Thu Sep 20, 6:08 PM ET
LIMA, Peru - Peruvian astronomers said Thursday that evidence shows a meteorite crashed near Lake Titicaca over the weekend, leaving an elliptical crater and magnetic rock fragments in an impact powerful enough to register on seismic charts.
As other astronomers learned more details, they too said it appears likely that a legitimate meteorite hit Earth on Saturday — a rare occurence.
The Earth is constantly bombarded with objects from outer space, but most burn up in the atmosphere and never reach the planet's surface. Only one in a thousand rocks that that people claim are meteorites turn out to be real, according to Jay Melosh, an expert on impact craters and professor of planetary science at the University of Arizona.
Scientists learned of more details about the crater, as well as witness descriptions of a thunderous roar and a rain of smaller rocks coming down.
Such impacts are rare, and astronomists still want to do other tests to confirm the strike.
Other details don't add up, they said — such as witness accounts of water in the muddy crater boiling for 10 minutes from the heat. Meteorites are actually cold when they hit Earth, astronomists say, since their outer layers burn up and fall away before impact.
More details emerged when astrophysicist Jose Ishitsuka of Peru's Geophysics Institute reached the site about 6 miles from Lake Titicaca. He confirmed that a meteorite caused a crater 42 feet wide and 15 feet deep, the institute's president, Ronald Woodman, told The Associated Press on Thursday.Ishitsuka recovered a 3-inch magnetic fragment and said it contained iron, a mineral found in all rocks from space. The impact also registered a magnitude-1.5 tremor on the institute's seismic equipment — that's as much as an explosion of 4.9 tons of dynamite, Woodman said.
Local residents described a fiery ball falling from the sky and smashing into the desolate Andean plain.
> So, this is what all 'the fuss' is about..those of you who don't believe it was anything special.
Best wishes,
Gary *+*
# skeptical says :
25 September, 2007 [ 01:41 ]
<Ishitsuka recovered a 3-inch magnetic fragment and said it contained <iron, a mineral found in all rocks from space.
sure - but how come no photos have been published at all ?
and why has no one been digging in order to reveal not a fragment, but say the mother-meteorite itself ?
# robert J.Busch- says :
26 September, 2007 [ 12:24 ]
Is someone confused ?? If this Dr.Luisa Macedo states there is no kind of radioactivity,no harmful gases or other substances in this meteor,why would she need a test to confirn ,IF the water source was contimanted ??????
# ant1 says :
24 February, 2008 [ 22:47 ]
Add your commentAt first glance it would have seemed more logical that the material that created the reaction was more likely from the meteorite than the source ground. That said 4.9 ton of dynamite is a good amount of explosive material and could vaporize quite a bit of stuff....
I think it's still more likely that the source of the reactive material came from the meteorite than from the ground it hit..
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