Lima, Peru | Wednesday 20 August 2008 16:11 | |
Fairmont Hotels & Resorts - a hotel chain with establishments in ten U.S. states and forty hotels in countries such as Canada, Mexico and England among others - has announced the construction of a $264 million luxury hotel on La Florida beach in northern Peru.# Splaktar says :
25 June, 2008 [ 13:27 ]
Hopefully this construction will not endanger any of the good surfing breaks up there.
# juanjo says :
25 June, 2008 [ 13:36 ]
Splaktar: there you go....splakt! why you are so negative? don't worry!....they not going to build this hotel on stilts on the water, you know? so why you worry about the surf? this is good news for Peru....so be happy!
# Splaktar says :
25 June, 2008 [ 14:27 ]
Because developments on the coast, specially in Peru, have a history of ruining good surfing spots. There are examples in Costa Verde, Tumbes, Chorillos, and others.
# Carlos A Quiroz says :
25 June, 2008 [ 15:26 ]
These kind of news get on my nerves. In one hand, this could mean more life-achieving jobs for the locals Tumbesinos as maids, janitorials, gardeners, dishwashers and servers. Meanwhile the big business goes to Lima and overseas.
And yes, I can see the Tumbes beaches being taken over by drunk, cocaine-loving tourists that will think they are in a South American Cancun. And there will be also the good people who travel all the way to Tumbes to lay in a tropical beach.
A new hotel ! yeeeya... good news for Peru. (?)
# A.K. says :
26 June, 2008 [ 02:50 ]
Well splakter, the article talks about a dock for cruise ships. If so, a breakwater well definitely be built. So your concern is well founded. If I'm not mistaken, the surf there has the longest breaks anywhere, I believe..
# ALS says :
26 June, 2008 [ 08:44 ]
I work for an environmental org and I am a surfer and am concerned about both the impact of such a large hotel and the break but Fairmont Hotels are one of the better hotels when it comes to environmental standards and the fact that they are looking into building wind turbines is good news.
# AJ. Whilar says :
26 June, 2008 [ 10:56 ]
I think the project is excellent.
Tumbes needs this kind of investment, it will benefit Northern Peru.
As for building docks or jetties, surfers will be on the outlook that these will not touch waves, for years I have been witness and documented with photos how the Costa Verde beaches have been partly destroyed, let's just hope this does not happen.
I agree with ALS as well as Splaktar comments.
# Marisol says :
26 June, 2008 [ 13:05 ]
There is always two sides on each story.
On one side, fellow Tumbesinians and people coming from all over will have an opportunity to get a job and feed their families. There will be more tourism and the commerce around the area will increase. On the other side, beach breaks can be destroyed, pollution, and dirty overpopulated beaches might arise. That's where the government should step in and take the convenients policies/measures to make this a fair game for everyone. I support the building of this hotel, but I do not support pollution, destruction of surfing breaks. Hopefully this project will not end up like those in Baja Mexico where huge contructions are left without been finished due to lack of extra investing money.
# Liliana says :
26 June, 2008 [ 18:46 ]
This is definitely good news as it shows the fast growth of our economy, markets, industries (touristic related mainly). We all can see constructions all over the city for housing and business. Hotels, restaurants and entretainment places are being opened frequently, not to speak of enterprises/companies offices, as a sign that Peru is a target now. Welcome investors!!! it brings many work opportunities. Another sign of this boom is that qualified executives for large companies CEO positions are out these days... A client of ours can use a good recommendation.
In the case of the big hotel in Playa La Florida Tumbes, I just hope the beach and natural landscapes are well taken care of. I agree with all of your comments in this point.
# Carlos A. Quiroz says :
26 June, 2008 [ 23:13 ]
Some Peruvians are so naive, they really think foreign investors come to our country to solve poverty, or because they care about the poor. Wake up, they only care about their pockets, and if that means exploiting human beings and destroying the environment, they won't hesitate for even a second, it's all about big money.
More hotels will not bring real progress for our people, who don't even have running water in their shanty towns, we don't need them to become servants to feel that we are improving, we need them to become engineers, technicians, communities leaders, teachers, innovators, and agents of change, not blue collar workers for rich drunk tourists, please.
# Marisol says :
26 June, 2008 [ 23:55 ]
I feel a little resentment there Carlos, but the way business is done nowadays is not like before, usually the majority of companies worldwide are becoming more planet concious becoming green, donating money for improving the towns around where the foreign investors bring there money into.
Yes, the people need to be educated but they also need to be fed. It is the responsibility of a government to give a basic education to its people and not the responsibility of private firms, who regardless of that like I mentioned before, donate money to fund projects in the communities around their investments and/or are enviromentally friendly.
I think it is not healthy for anyone to judge someone before knowing them and also, it is not nice at all to call tourists coming to Peru or just anyone, drunk.
# Jet says :
27 June, 2008 [ 04:54 ]
Yes, worldwide companies should come to Peru to open hotels and ONLY give executive jobs to the local Peruvians. Every Peruvian they hire locally should be made a company president or better.
The owners of the worldwide companies should take up cook and cleaning positions at the hotel. They should also only give the profits to the people that live around the area, and make sure the locals are happy with the amount of money they are given. It would be rediculous for the owners of these companies to expect to make money..... after all that is evil and all companies need to be punished for such thinking.
Peru should just pass a law that all companies that come to do business in Peru must not attempt to make money and if by chance they should happen to make money the owners should issue a public appology to the people that live there and to the country itself. In addition the owners must prove that they are truely sorry that they had the desire to make money here when they are people that do not make money here.
If Peru can just manage to convince these companies and owners how evil they are and how bad it is that they want to business in Peru...... well then everything would finally be good and all Peru's problems would be solved.
Oh wait.... that's communism
# Carlos A. Quiroz says :
27 June, 2008 [ 09:44 ]
Jet, that is not communism, that is you being cynical and a typical right-wing propagandist.
Marisol, I don't dislike hotels and I think every business should have the right to open anywhere, but first there should be strong rules when it comes to protect human beings and the environment.
Peruvians don't have basic labor rights and anyone with money will buy anything and anyone in Peru, so when I read your comment about how corporations in Peru are protecting the land and the local population, let me just remind you of Yanacocha, La Oroya, Moquegua, Tintaya, Camisea, etc. places where Peruvian citizens got sick for life because of pollution and labor abuses. And who is our government is protecting to?
My comments are not against opening hotels, but against opening them in protected areas with no regulations. The results are low profits and blue collar jobs for Peru, and that is not worth the environmental and social destruction they will provoke. I hope I am wrong this time.
# Juan Pedro says :
27 June, 2008 [ 11:28 ]
I think surfers should approach Fairmont Hotels and "Inversiones y Negocios Pafra" as soon as possible, and offer their advice to ensure that any dock preserves the area's surfing (and if designed well, it could even create new breaks!). Thing is, surfing could well be an additional attraction for the hotel's potential visitors (by the way, dudes, hot actress Kate Bosworth surfs!). Fairmont is an experienced chain, and if presented with that additional 'plus' for the site, I would be surprised if they ignore it.
And yes, besides Kate Bosworth, the thing would probably attract also a few 'puppies' (aprendices de perro) to the waves, but on the other hand, these would be few and occasional ones, and there should also be potential to make some good money as surfing instructors -enough to have a nice life and plenty of free time by the beach....?
As for other impacts....ay....yes, all economic activity has an impact, even if done carefully. I, for one, would like to see all the remaining marvels of Peru remain intact -and I hope many of them do remain so forever. This one, I don't know how the balance between bad vs. good impacts will play out -I hope the good impacts win. Generally speaking, hotels -particularly those built with environmental considerations in mind from the onset- can be among the cleanest sources of employment and wealth for an area.
Of course many jobs would be for janitors, gardeners, servers, etc, not necessarily very high-paying....but, if the alternative is no job, or digging soil in a hazardous mine, or trying your luck searching for a hopefully-decent job in a far-away big dirty city, it's not a bad proposition. Higher-paying jobs do exist in hotels, of course, in more or less the same proportion as in most other businesses. But let's not forget that there can be a lot of peripheral opportunities for independent jobs, some of which could be well-paid -from specialized technicians and artists, translators and interpreters, to...maybe surfing instructors!As for foreign 'riff-raff' crowding the beaches...There'll surely be some, but probably not a lot, since high-end hotels and ship cruises tend to attract mostly educated families and retired people -and hey, let's face it: not all Peruvian surfers and beachgoers are model citizens either, and maybe this thing will help finance good beach cleaning and protection for the whole area, benefitting all. For sure, the local government(s) should try to ensure various benefits extend beyond the hotel grounds somehow.
In a nutshell: I'm not 'sold' on the idea of a big hotel on a nice beach, but I've seen places where it's been done nicely, and benefitting many people who would otherwise be destitute. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to this thing, but of course everyone should keep an eye on how things unfold. And don't forget: Surfers of the world, unite -or at least have someone there talk to the builders and owners to make sure the waves live long and prosper.... :)
# Carlos says :
29 June, 2008 [ 13:02 ]
Well I am always happy, If these Hotels bring People in Peru decent paying employment & better career prospects.
# nekky says :
2 August, 2008 [ 03:14 ]
I am going to this beach because ....I like to see the good breaks people have been talking about and I will probably stay in a hotel darn! surfing, bring the bodyboarding!!!!!!! yo! ha!
# peloflex says :
2 August, 2008 [ 11:52 ]
Juan Pedro, you have saved me from doing a lot of typing... thanks!
for Carlor Quiroz... su guitarra y su voz!
I trully hope this helps, although I don't own the truth, but I do own good common sense..
I see you are very concerned about the poor and that's great!...unfortunately nothing can change overnight... specially if we talk about our country which had been buried for decades with not even the slightest chance for progress... Now things are changing... now we do have a chance... it seems to everyone that now we have a very solid chance and the thing is, going back to my point, I see absolutely nothing wrong with blue-collar jobs... a blue-collar job way better than no job at all... why would you expect any different ? FOR NOW that is...
But here is where it becomes good news... these blue-collar workers would be able to send their kids to better schools... and those kids will have a much bigger chances than their parents did... isn't that nice?
So why worry so much... ? again, nothing can change overnight.. we have to be patiente. let's get rid of the negative... if you want to hear about success... read the story about the owner of the brand TIPPY TOP the textiles... I hope I wrote correct... or the owner of PERHUSA... a coffee exporter... you know what, let's change the typical peruvian attitude... good things don't just happen because of magic... we need to teach our peruchos that good things are the result of hard work and big efforts, I come from the north part of the contry and I know for a fact that most guys in that part make a living by working from 6-7am to 10-11am... by noon they take a long lunch break of 3-4 hours... nap included... then some go back to work for another two more hours... some others don't work until the next morning... NO ONE! can have that luxury no where in the world... it's time for them to get back on track if they want something better, really I don't see why you would expect them to have a job other than a blue-collar job, which by the way, I don't see nothing wrong with it.
And about the protection of the surfing breaks, well, I see someone here with the surname Whilar, that makes me feel safe, I am sure there is lots of people out in Peru that will make sure that our breaks are well protected.
Lastly, if anyone has any doubts that progress and preservation of enviroment can go together, you should go visit Waikiki beach...
thanks for reading!
peloflex
# Marisol says :
2 August, 2008 [ 13:12 ]
Hey Peloflex....you saved me a lot of writing too...
It's so funny that I commented too about the same article....un bacalao, dos bacalao....hope to see you soon my friend......
# peloflex says :
2 August, 2008 [ 13:52 ]
ha! I kinda had the feeling it was you.... Sol..... y Maaaar!
you see? ever since you recommended this site to me... I've became sort of addicted to it... so if someone has any complains about what I write in here... it's all Marisol's fault!....
latersss!
# Jet says :
3 August, 2008 [ 04:19 ]
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