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Bolivia's Evo Morales asked to stop interfering in Peru's affairs

President García asks Evo Morales not to meddle in Peru’s domestic politics

President Alan García asked his Bolivian counterpart Evo Morales not to interfere in Peru’s domestic politics and expressed it was a “coarse lie” to say there is a US military base in Peru. “We would have to say as Spain’s Juan Carlos (the king said to Hugo Chávez): ‘Why don’t you shut up’. ‘Be concerned about your country and not about mine, you are being annoying, so be careful with the consequences of what you are doing’, he said to the press. (ANDINA - click here to read complete article)


Head of Andean Parliament asks Morales to stop statements against Peru

The president of the Andean Parliament, Ivonne Baki, asked president Evo Morales to stopped making comments against Peru since it affects the Andean Community (CAN) and intensifies the perception of division within the bloc, after the diplomatic crisis between Ecuador and Colombia. This situation is one of the reasons why the European Union decided to halt talks with CAN to sign a trade and political association agreement since they are uncertain what can happen with Andean countries. (ANDINA - click here to read complete article)

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# Rachel says :
1 July, 2008 [ 16:24 ]

GALAN Garcia, always so eloquent and original with his selection of words.

# Wolfgang Leander says :
1 July, 2008 [ 17:23 ]

And we, Bolivians who have lived abroad, feel deeply ashamed to have a president whose primitivism and lack of the most basic education is becoming almost proverbial.

Now, the good thing about Morales' faux pas is that many Bolivians who were followers of him are beginning to see that he completely lacks the capacity to lead a country.

So, instead of telling Morales to shut up, I'd rather encourage him to keep on insulting other heads of state and not hold back the garbage that is piling up in his head but rather spit it out - it won't take long before the majority of Bolivians will realize that his "fiery" rhetoric is but mental diarrhea.

# CapitanDan says :
1 July, 2008 [ 17:43 ]

Ah Wolfgang, Now you know how I feel.Chau My Friend

# Jason W. Smith, Ph.D. says :
1 July, 2008 [ 18:17 ]

What Is Happening in Peru? Why the National Strike July 9th? Jason W. Smith, Ph.D. Abstract A showdown with US imperialism in South America is underway and may turn Ayacucho, Peru into the Gringo Dien Bien Phu. Article Those of you who have been reading my columns on South America over the last seven months know that we have reviewed the unfolding alliance of the Empire with its last two remaining South American puppets: Mr. Uribe in Colombia and Mr. Garcia in Peru. We also took note of Mr. Kaplan’s lectures at the US Naval Academy at Annapolis on using small unit strategy and tactics in lieu of major regular army forces which are no longer available to the US trillionaire and centi-billionaire capitalists. Nor is the money available to fight another large scale war against Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia, as the Pentagon-CIA would prefer. The outgoing US viceroy for Peru mentioned last year his concern that Communist troops had gone from being able to launch one attack per year to about one a week in the three and one half years of his tenure in Lima. Then, only weeks ago, we saw Mr. Uribe come into town to talk to Mr. Garcia two days before the latter left to see Messrs. Bush and Cheney. Upon Garcia’s return we saw Uribe strike out against the FARC and Ecuador in a cross border attack that led to a severing of diplomatic relations and a rallying of virtually all of South America against Colombia as a consequence. Then with less attention from the cap press (in the US) Garcia struck against FARC inside Peruvian territory along their joint border. During all of this the CIA (and its NED front) mobilized their subversive groups against FARC in the form of “mass” demonstrations at different locales in Colombia and Venezuela. Then the gringo’s launched a series of recon-in-force probes against Venezuela. Much of this having as its secondary objective the distraction of South America’s progressive forces from the conspiratorial intervention of US imperialism in Peru. But, the principal thrust of the US was in sending some 5500 Peruvian troops into the southeast Ayacucho Department (Province) to take on some eight columns of PCPSMCM (initials in Spanish for Communist Party of Peru Shining Path of Carlos Mariategui) troops in the Apurimac River region. Then 1000 US Marines arrived in Peru in full combat gear and were deployed to Ayacucho. What is the Gringo strategic plan? In a few words the gringos desperately need to get away from fighting along exterior lines and into fighting from interior lines. Previously reliable sources tell me that this is strategic objective number one of US imperialism in South America at this moment (June 4, 2008).Why is this so? The US was de facto locked out of northern South America by the alliance of Left (ALBA) and independent governments of Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and Brazil. The gringo’s lost their ability to use Paraguay in the meantime because of a change in politics in that country, reflected again in elections this year; Argentina’s elections brought another independent regime to power in Buenos Aires, as earlier elections had done in Montevideo. Even Chile’s relatively conservative government moved as far from the USA as it could within the constraints imposed by its trade relationship with the Empire. The military result has been to put the US offshore South America onto its naval bases and long distance air arm with the exception of its bases in Colombia which are, according to Uribe, insufficient to offset its huge commitment of Army men to police barracks in Colombia’s major cities and production centers. The armed struggle in Peru has been intensifying in recent years as the US Viceroy for that country recently commented. The Gates administration at the Pentagon-CIA has decided to throw its support fully behind the small unit strategy outlined as the Annapolis Doctrine. They have picked the Ayacucho region of the Central Andes as the place to build their first on-continent military base in an attempt to gain those interior lines from which to fight the national liberation force in that country. –And, from which to operate against Left and Independent governments in South America. Anticipating that the Puppet troops of Garcia would bog down in their Apurimac offensive the gringos stepped up to the challenge with the early delivery of the first contingent of troops to their new Ayacucho base. More regular troops are on their way as soon as the gringos can find some way to get them or buy mercenaries. This military base in Peru is a gift from Alan Garcia who proved he had graduated from the small time thievery that made him and his social fascist party infamous the last time he was President into a true Arch-Traitor on the multi-million dollar a month payroll of Gringo imperialism (paid legally as part of the anti-drug funding of the US State Department and the Pentagon, as well as illegally out of US agent briefcases.) Clearly all of these things were agreed upon by Uribe, Garcia and Bush-Cheney, only weeks ago. The second reason (strategic objective number two) why the gringos chose to fight now in Ayacucho is they hope to be able to smash the insurrection its homeland. I have discussed the original uprising in the Ayacucho region in my book Shining Path, the Peruvian Revolution, 2003, Jason W. Smith, Writers Press, Boise, 330 pp. (Go to the WorldCat website to find the university libraries with copies closest to you.) Strategic objective number three is even if they do not succeed here they will be fighting against the rebel army in Peru from interior lines instead of from their offshore carrier Death Stars. Furthermore, they will be in position to strike directly against Evo Morales in Bolivia and a much better position than the one they occupied when they were forced to abort their invasion of Bolivia from their Paraguay bases two years ago. (I reported on that abortion at the time as you can read in the postings of two years ago at http://groups.msn.com/JasonSmithcom ) The Venezuela First policy of the pentagon-CIA has been derailed for the moment and relegated to being a DTO (“difficult to take objective”) subject to reconnaissance-in-force probes. US imperialism is still very much off balance and this is a risky strategy. It invites a Dien Bien Phu type of response from the Army of PCPSLCM. You may recall that the French capitalists tried to build an interior base at Dien Bien Phu from which to fight the Vietminh, only to be wiped out there. The French forced to withdraw and the gringos coming in to replace them and we know how long it took to get them out after that. Ayacucho was built by the Spanish to counteract the Inca resistance armies. It is astride the only route to Lima. It was the scene of the defeat of the Spanish Empire during the wars of national liberation in South America, led by Bolivar and associates. The US was on the right side then - but then the US was progressive and had not yet become a capitalist country in its imperialist phase (the highest developed stage of capitalism where constant capital [machinery and factories] are exported to cheap labor centers in colonial and semi-colonial areas like South America has been until now.) The resources necessary for the Empire to support this Peruvian campaign will leave little if any ground force available for US imperialism to use against the rest of the South American continent. Thus, the Peruvian rebels, under their new leader, Anthropology Professor Quispe, are now fighting for all of South America and Latin America not just their own national liberation. Accordingly, this civil war has become more than the business of the Peruvian people alone. It is now the business of mankind worldwide and we communists need to jump in, in any and every way we can, to support the Peruvian people’s armed forces in their struggle against the reactionary puppet regime in Lima and its US sponsors. International volunteer fighters should make their way to Peru and help in the fight. Ayacucho could become the graveyard of US imperialism in South America. Or, at the very least Ayacucho could become the scene of a protracted war which will serve to tie up the available imperialist forces so they are unavailable to attack our other centers of progress. For the daily war news from Ayacucho we have converted the website Rivers of Blood (about some of Dr. Smith's experiences in Peru) into a general news site about US imperialism against South America at http://groups.msn.com/RiversofBlood

# Mark says :
1 July, 2008 [ 20:51 ]

Interesting stuff.....and no I'm not a communist!

It has been shown time and time again what happens when the mighty US of A put military bases in other peoples countries.

By having the only other military base outside of Columbia in South America, what is Mr Garcia saying to his fellow South Americans?

We have US military bases here in Australia too and the majority of people just don't want them here anymore.

The decision to bend over to America and allow them to put a base in Ayacucho will be a disastrous one for the Peruvian people. What is the US trying to achieve by doing this? Do they want a war? Because, my friends, I can see that's what's gonna happen...

Mr Garcia, if I'm not wrong, is suffering from extremely low approval ratings at the moment and has been for some time. Even in his centre of support (LIma) his approval rating has dropped markedly.

With such levels of support, what gives him the authority to allow this base? It wasn't a part of his election platform was it? No it wasn't because I was in Peru working at the time. I have no doubt if the Peruvian people were asked in a referendum if they wanted a base the answer would be an unequivical no....

I wonder how long it will take you to destroy the safety of the local population and the tourists that have finally started venturing back into the central highlands after so long not being game enough to for fear of their lives? We all know how this works-kidnap tourists etc..etc..etc..You don't think the US will protect them do you? Ask the Afghanis or Iraqis what they think, after all you're doing a real good job in protecting them aren't you?

With the current lack of infrastructure and employment in the central highlands and the highlands in general (not to mention the rest of the country) I can see this developing into a full blown guerilla war. Those who thought the Shining Path were almost gone will maybe be a little surprised to see them come back with a vengence along with the formation of other factions.

But maybe that's just what Mr Garcia and the cronies behind the scenes want. The US has shown, for almost a century now, how profitable wars can be haven't they?

It's a shame that Mr Garcia is unwilling to look at what the long term consequences of this decision will be. Maybe Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and other surrounding nations will take offence to this and not only cut off diplomatic ties with Peru but decide it is in their national interest to stop the incursions into their respective countries that will no doubt arise from a US military base in the Andes. It is well known around the world how the US government works to achieve it's ambitions through the CIA and other covert, clandestine operations.  This decision will have devastating effects on Peru in the long term.

Over half the population of Peru And Bolivia are living in poverty- do you think you will have their support Mr Garcia? I mean, after all the help you've given them, all the times you've listened to their concerns,
I don't believe you are that stupid. I also don't believe it's about the money either-surely you cashed yourself and your family up enough after your first presidency eh? Some people can never have enough though, right?

I've said it before and I'll say it again-keep out of other countries affairs America! Stop building your miltary bases in other peoples countries to achieve your selfish, self interested goals!

Your own country is collasping around your feet, how about you fix some of those problems eh? Geez the people of New Orleans are still waiting for governmental help to rebuild their city. Your education system is churning out uneducated fools (by design). Your dollar is fast becoming worthless as your economy slides into recession. I could go on and on about the problems you have at home but it's obvious your government has another agenda.....

Your poiticians are corrupt, a good portion of them need to be sacked from office and impeached for their crimes but all that seems to be happening is the increase in your military spending and your infiltration of other nations - Afghanistan-Iraq-Columbia and now Peru amongst others. When will it end?

In my opinion you are biting off a little more than you can chew with this decision Mr Garcia. Watch the American government  because the time will come when you will have served your purpose and will no longer be needed...what will Peru and it's people do then? Especially considering you will have no friends on the rest of the continent by then. Happened before it will happen again, but you should have more than enough money in your hidden bank accounts by then Mr Garcia, right?

Sad, sad state of affairs

Peace

Mark

# Meyering says :
2 July, 2008 [ 02:55 ]

No, the sky is not falling.

The world is not coming to a end.

What is that old buddist saying? , "...life is 10% reality and 90% perception." or something like that...

# danidanado says :
2 July, 2008 [ 15:03 ]

Geez Mark, for non-communist you sure sound like Dr. J.  There's no Military base per se in Peru.  There is a small contigient doing humanitarian work on a short term basis, that's all.  Soon they will be gone and Mr. Morales will be shown for the idiot he is.  The only thing clear in Dr. J's column is that he is a fanatic liar.

# David Rothchild says :
2 July, 2008 [ 17:46 ]

You tell him danidanado! Mark is nothing but a communist... and it is a dangerous communist who pretends not to be one. A terrorist even.

# Billy says :
2 July, 2008 [ 19:06 ]

Spoken like a true Jew David!

# Marco says :
2 July, 2008 [ 19:07 ]

Mark, I notice that you speak English and not Japanese.  You are obviously too young, or too ignorant, or both, to remember that the USA saved your country from being over run by the Japanese in WWII.  The English had capitulated in the Pacific virtually without even firing a single shot----how could little Australia had defended itself?  I am pretty sure that the Aussies back then were very happy that there was a little force called the US Military nearby.

It is easy to forget the past.  It is also easy to forget the humanitarian aid, projects, and programs that the USA has given--for free--to the people of Peru and the rest of South America.  Australia could give 100 times what it has already given and it wouldn't be one tenth of what the USA has done for its neighbors in the Western Hemisphere.

As for Australia---from all looks the culture of your country is nothing but a cheap imitation of what goes on in Los Angeles, which is perhaps one of the crappiest parts of America to live in. 

Please, stop with the jealousy based ranting.  If Australia was important, then the United Nations would be based there.

As for our politicians, give me a break!  America sets the standard for freedom of speech, and political process in the world--no matter what you might think.  I wonder what the non-corrupt politicians of Australia would do when faced with a sliver of the challenges of running the most successful country in the history of the world?

Your lack of knowledge of the challenges, and the scale of the disaster in New Orleans is laughable.  The problems there lie in multiple layers of culture, history, geography, politics, and much more.  The absolute size of the disaster is unprecedented.  In the USA, New Orleans is not even a top 25 city in terms of population, production, etc.  Yet, New Orleans would be the 2nd or 3rd most important city in Australia by the same measurements.  To have a city of that size, relative to your Australia, be virtually destroyed by nature--well, I highly doubt that Australia could fix it in a thousand years.

So, just remember Mark, when Australia needs a hand the USA will be there-----I just don't remember any Australians in New Orleans when we needed help.

Chaucito mis amigos,

Marco

# Mark says :
2 July, 2008 [ 19:18 ]

No the sky is not falling Meyering nor is it coming to an end. It is changing though.

I'm not sure who Dr J is Danidando and you are right, at this point there is no US military base in Ayacucho. There will be though very soon.

I refer to an article on this website from the 17th June where the Commander In Chief of the Peruvian Armed Forces admits they are already negotiating this very base. You even made a comment

Peru admits talks for US air facilities in the highlands

The United States Army and the Peruvian Armed Forces Joint Command are in negotiations for the establishment of US air facilities in Peru, according to press reports from Lima. General Edwin Donayre, Commander in Chief of the Peruvian Army admitted negotiations to a local publication “Peru 21”. Apparently the US air facilities would be built in Ayacucho 575 kilometers southeast of Lima. (MercoPress - click here to read complete article)

I also put in the comments made regarding this article
Anonymous George says :
17 June, 2008 [ 10:04 ]

So after weeks of denials and lies...
The US does want to build a base in Peru. All this aid operation stuff was just a cover, a ploy to placate the people of Ayacucho into accepting the base. Humala was... dare I say it... right?

# Mike says :
17 June, 2008 [ 10:53 ]

Hmmmm...so what is the problem?  Helps the local economy and the government to control terrorist and criminal activities, correct?

Of course they will deny it - after all, until talks progress to a certain stage, nothing has been agreed to except to discuss things.  Only until the talks reach a certain stage can they say, "ok, we are talking about this seriously."

And the humanitarian trip is not the "staging" for such a base.  Peru has a close relationship with US, and both sides want to see that cooperation, economic, and social connection grow.  The US lending free assistance is part of that growing relationship.

# The man in the yellow hat says :
17 June, 2008 [ 11:12 ]

Right on Mike, it's a good thing for Ayacucho and it's only logical that it will be denied until something is concrete. The U.S. will be of great help in that region.

# David Rockefeller says :
17 June, 2008 [ 11:14 ]

Thanks for the support Mike.

# CapitanDan says :
17 June, 2008 [ 15:27 ]

Yes, The base would be an asset for Peru and pour dollars into the local economy and create jobs. It would benefit me directly because it would provide me with Post Exchange and Commissary privileges . Now the downside. It would provide Morales and Chavez more opportunities to say that the U.S. is showing it's ambitions to subjugate the people of South America. It would also give the rabble rousers and anarchists a target. As a U.S. Taxpayer this is a waste of money. What all of you in this forum do not see behind the scenes is that this has to do with inter service rivalry and the private sector trying to secure more opportunities for themselves. Precisely an Airbase means more money in the Army, Air Force budget, more jobs ,influence and power.Also this would open opportunities for the many retired military who work and own these private contracting firms. The Navy can do the same job ,offshore with drones.These drones can provide the intelligence and firepower cheaper than a military base and provide no target or opportunities for terrorists or rabble rousers. I have seen at first hand during the Gulf War their reliability and cost effectiveness. The Navy would keep a low profile and do the job. At least as I understand the job is to provide intelligence and support for the Peruvian Military and Police to destroy the laboratories that process cocaine and provide money to the Narco-Terrorists.Not to give the U.S. a Bigger Footprint in Latin America , Chau

# Tupac says :
17 June, 2008 [ 15:28 ]

Yeah that's the game the US plays. They pretend to be your friend and then stab you in the back when you least expect it.

# Mike says :
17 June, 2008 [ 16:06 ]

Well, I disagree.  The US hasn't "stabbed" anyone in the back any more often that it has been.  Frankly, it has done it significantly less throughout it's history because there are people to be accountable to.  Unlike the dictators and monarchs that rule at a whim, even today.

As far as drones and such go - maybe, but I think land-bases still have a use.  If nothing else than to provide an extension to launch intelligence gathering from and to intimidate the criminals.  Those drones don't have unlimited ranges.

Let's face it, despite everything Chavez has done to start an arms race in the area, the US hasn't really responded much.  To set up a base - and it will likely be a small one - isn't much of an attempt to have a bigger footprint.

How do we know that the US wasn't asked or invited anyway?  We all know Peru's infrastructure isn't that great to respond to threats like the narcotraffikers and such.

# Mr Rothschild says :
17 June, 2008 [ 16:14 ]

Well spoken Mike! You will be rewarded for this.

# Mark says :
17 June, 2008 [ 18:09 ]

Well I'll be damned, the US government I mean the CIA I mean the US government will now be able to pick up all the cocaine they want and ship it directly to the US with no questions asked.

How convenient.

The war on drugs is as much a fabrication as the war on terror is. This is just another example of how the US government and the people backing them use clandestine operations under the guise of 'help' to acheive what it wants.

Oh well Peru, it won't be long now before you too will be just another pawn in the game of US world domination.

Free trade agreements are a disturbing thing. As long as the US government has so any subsidies in place to protect it's own markets can we really believe what we are being told about these FTAs.

I for one don't believe it for a minute and neither should the Peruvian people.

As long as the US maintains that anyone who doesn't agree with them and their policies are 'against them' I'd be concerned. The US governments stand on these issues and many others reeks of Fascism.

What have and are they becoming? One wonders. The fact that they have already ignored the US constitution on so many occasions has virtually made it into a worthless piece of paper these days.

Where is it all going?

Mark

Peace

# CapitanDan says :
17 June, 2008 [ 18:27 ]

Mike a land base is a sitting target. This in itself means it has to be strongly fortified with costly structures. It and the people on and near the base become targets. Mortars, rockets can be fired at the base from hidden positions, like in Iraq. Hit and run attacks. A ship or 2 can be moved up and down the coast wherever the need arises. The enemy never knows the position. As for Drones they now can stay aloft longer than any aircraft except the B-52. It's range is flexible based on the equipment it carries and the mission. This can be increased by moving the ship up or down the coast. As for intimidation, it is never hearing,knowing where or when they will come and what they will be carrying. As for the U.S., Combat troops can't be just introduced into a country to fight. I was an advisor and we had strict limitations on what we were supposed to do. This often went out the window when the shooting erupted. If we let the U.S. build a base and man it I feel it will cause more problems than good. Let the U.S. Train Peruvians to handle this intelligence equipment and maintain it. Mike you are right we don't know if the U.S. was or will be invited. I am looking for the Best interests of Peru and The U.S. and I am not on anyone's payroll. As for Peru's infrastructure donations are always accepted from anyone without any strings attached. Chau...

# Mike says :
17 June, 2008 [ 19:29 ]

Could be.  Keep in mind that this is an airbase - and we don't know how big it is supposed to be.  Perhaps launching drones is exactly what this base would be for to begin with.  In that case, you would only have advisors, technical people, and some misc staff - not too much of a military presence.

As for it being a target: better it than innocent people in the villages.  Let them vent on people who can actually defend themselves.

# CapitanDan says :
17 June, 2008 [ 19:55 ]

Mike, It seems no matter where you place a base, Air,Sea whatever people arrive to sell items to the people on the base. I have seen a small shantytown turn into a small city. These civilians suffer the most casualties by misfired projectiles, rockets and carbombs. Look at the International News on Iraq. For every wounded GI there are 40 civilian or police casualties. As for advisers, the new trend is to hire private contractors(mercenaries)to do the work. This way Washington,like Mission Impossible's Mr. Phelps can say, "We will disavow any or all knowledge of you". It keeps their hands sparkling clean, but the stench is still there. Chau My Friend.

# Mike says :
17 June, 2008 [ 22:15 ]

Well, remember, Iraq is a war zone, not a relatively peaceful country that has certain risks and criminals that need to be attended to.  That makes for a very big difference.

# Splaktar says :
17 June, 2008 [ 22:20 ]

I look forward to a US airbase there.  Not only will it bring money and jobs into the highlands but it will also allow for more monitoring of the airways for drug smugglers and air traffic.

# danidanado says :
18 June, 2008 [ 15:42 ]

It seems that the lease on the land that US have in Ecuador runs out next year and Pres. Correa has refused to renew it.  Correa is a Socialist like Chavez and Chavez's lacky Morales.  So the US need another central location in S.America and Ayacucho, being high up in the mountains, sparsly populated by mostly peaceful native peoples, would be easy to defend.  As long as the base isn't used for eradicating the coca being grown by the locals for themselves, I don't care.  I am concerned about the anti-american sentimets that some people have in Peru, and the ammunition for propaganda a US base will give them, but I believe the US will step lightly for fear they will be asked to leave.  The economic benefit for Peru will outweigh any problems too.   

# David Rockefeller says :
18 June, 2008 [ 15:56 ]

Thanks danidanado. Let's hope many come to agree with you, for all our sakes, but particularly mine.

# Mr Rothschild says :
18 June, 2008 [ 16:02 ]

Here here!

# jacqueline corriveau says :
18 June, 2008 [ 16:12 ]

This is something we ought to consider doing in the US. I for one would like to have Chinese military bases in certain parts of the country such as New Orleans and Iowa. Helps the local economy and the government to respond to natural disasters. Yes, The base would be an asset for the US and pour dollars into the local economy and create jobs.
The only problem is it would give the rabble rousers and conservatives a target.
Personally, I look forward to a Chinese airbase in the G. of Mexico.  Not only will it bring money and jobs into the south but it will also allow for more monitoring of the airways for drug smugglers and air traffic. As long as the base isn't used for eradicating the tobacco being grown by the locals for themselves, I don't care. The economic benefit for the US will outweigh any problems too.  

# CapitanDan says :
18 June, 2008 [ 16:56 ]

Ah Jacqueline , When I read your comment ,it sort of was like Deja Vu. I couldn't help but think I have read this before. I don't think you will ever see a base operated by the Chinese in a Foreign country, because they are really tight with their resources. Now, maybe we could entice the Russians. They have new found wealth with their oil and gold discoveries and they are really party animals and would benefit, New Orleans and the casino's in Mobile. Chau

# Mark says :
18 June, 2008 [ 19:33 ]

Whilst surfing you tube last night I came across a man that

1: I had never heard of

2: Has been involved in th US political movement for a very long time

and 3: Has the most progressive political ideas and policies that I have ever heard come out of the mouth of a US politician/congressman.

Who is this man you might be thinking

Everyone of his policy announcements are based on the US constitution, you rememeber don't you? The little book that your founding fathers based your nation on. Come on, there must be some of you who remember what that is?

If you go back to pre 1913, that is, before the group of international bankers (I prefer to call them BANKSTERS, a much more befitting title) disregarded the American Constitution and created what has been by far the most damaging 'institution' ever for your country and way of life - the federal reserve, the US economy was quite stable. The words 'recession' or 'depression' were virtually unheard of.

"Under the federal reserve act, panics are scientifically created. The present panic (the great depression)  is the first scientifically created one, worked out as we figure a mathematical equation.'

Charles Lindbergh
US Congressman 1921

The US Federal Reserve Act, if I rememeber correctly, was not created by the US government. It was created by the men who are behind the federal reserve. This group of greedy rich men weren't happy with what they had and devised the act so they could take control of the whole US economy and therefore the US government and it's people.

THIS IS NOT FICTION FOLKS - THIS IS HOW IT HAPPENED!

YOU ARE ALL STILL PAYING FOR IT TODAY!

In regards to the American civil war, Benjamin Franklin said 'The refusal of King George the 3rd to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators was probably the the prime cause of the revolution'.

Thomas Jefferson said 'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies...if the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency... the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered'

The Federal Reserve Act was written by he bankers NOT the US government lawmakers. In 1913 Woodrow Wilson (who by the way was another who owed his Presidency to the sponsorship given by the banking community) had already agreed to sign off on this central banking law due to this campaign sponsorship.
Years later, in regret, he wrote 'Our great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of thei own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.'

Combine this with what Mayer Amschiel Rothschild (the founder of the Rothschild banking dynasty) once said 'Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes it's laws' and the picture becomes even clearer.

'The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society and we are, as a people, inherrently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oathes and to secret proceedings for we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding it's sphere of influence. On infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, it is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the bulding of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. It's preparations are concealed, not published, it's mistakes are buried, not headlined. It's desenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no secret is revealed. That is why the Athenian (Sola??) lawmaker decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. Confident that with your help, man will be what he was born to be, free and independant.'

JFK

Anyway, back to the beginning

The congressman I'm talking about here is Ron Paul. Even though he ended up losing his parties nomination (surprise, surprise) the things of which he spoke have been heard and a lot of people, particularly our dissillusioned young and the older members of your society that remember that little book called the Constitution voted for him.

This has been what you would call a 'GRASS ROOTS MOVEMENT' and will continue to pick up speed over the next dacade.

The American people obviously aren't ready for these ideas yet - things haven't gotten bad enough.

So if you are all concerned American citizens check out what this guy is saying and prove him wrong. Take a real interest - be a participant not a puppet.

The policies that would be adopted under his presendency are probably the only way i can America getting out of the hole it's dug.

MArk

Peace

# Mark says :
18 June, 2008 [ 19:44 ]

In other words GET OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES COUNTRIES THEY DON"T NEED YOUR MILITARY BASES.

I wonder if the Iraqi or Afghani people that are left think that it would be good for Peru to have a US military base in Peru? Let's ask them about it shall we?

NOWHERE IN YOUR CONSTITUTION DOES IT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO INVADE ANOTHER PEOPLES LAND - IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM UNDER ANY REASON!

THE WORLD DOESN"T WANT OR NEED YOU TO BE OUR GLOBAL POLICEMAN.

CLEAN UP THE MESS YOUR OWN COUNTRY HAS BECOME

MArk

Peace

# David Rockefeller says :
18 June, 2008 [ 19:46 ]

Filthy lies of a conspiracy nut will get you nowhere people.
Go about your days and ignore this garbage.

# Mark says :
18 June, 2008 [ 21:09 ]

It's funny how whenever anyone uncovers the truth about a certain issue that doesn't mimick the governments line it's called a conspiracy.

You and your partners have done well Mr Rockefeller. You have dumbed done the people of the world to the point where the only 'conspiracy' they believe in is the one the government passes for as the truth.

Now if you can only sort out that Iran/Syria thing your task will be complete. Once the world is steered into WW3 you will have what you started out to achieve

WORLD DOMINATION

Mark

Peace, whoops I mean

Get those terrorists!

Danidando, you also gave us the most likely reason this 'air base' will become reality. The fact that Ecuador is not renewing the lease for the base there. You can't have it both ways my friend, or can you?

Mr Rothschild, I love your brief but concise comments. They always make me chuckle. Keep 'em coming.

Peace

Mark

# Mark says :
2 July, 2008 [ 20:00 ]

Good to have your input Marco                                               Marco says :
2 July, 2008 [ 19:07 ]

Mark, I notice that you speak English and not Japanese.  You are obviously too young, or too ignorant, or both, to remember that the USA saved your country from being over run by the Japanese in WWII.  The English had capitulated in the Pacific virtually without even firing a single shot----how could little Australia had defended itself?  I am pretty sure that the Aussies back then were very happy that there was a little force called the US Military nearby.

I'm 40 Marco, been called a lot of things but ignorant? Australians hav been fighting beside US troops in all 'your wars' Let's face it Vietnam was based on a lie, Iraq-Afghanistan is based on a lie, The only reson you became involved in WW2 was so your corporations could profiteer from your countries involvement. Your involvement in WW1 was based on similiar reasons. Did you realise that US Standard Oil (owned by Mr Rockefella) supplied $20 million of aircraft fuel to the Germans through IG Farbon? Without this sale the Germans would have been unable to bomb London? You can call me anything you like really, but ignorant? Your country through it's corporations" has been financing both sides of nearly every major conflict for the last 100 years! Do some research, find out some facts. And yes there have been times in our history where we have been grateful for US help. This is undeniable. Times change my friend and so has the way the US conducts itself internationally.



It is easy to forget the past.  It is also easy to forget the humanitarian aid, projects, and programs that the USA has given--for free--to the people of Peru and the rest of South America.  Australia could give 100 times what it has already given and it wouldn't be one tenth of what the USA has done for its neighbors in the Western Hemisphere.

Australia has a population of around 22 million, it is therefore impossible for us to compete financially with a country of over 300 million IN ANY WAY. Why does your government give a third of it's entire foreign aid money to Israel? A rich country by any measure, no? I think it averages about $12 billion annually.....

As for Australia---from all looks the culture of your country is nothing but a cheap imitation of what goes on in Los Angeles, which is perhaps one of the crappiest parts of America to live in. 

Unfortunately you are right, our society has been bombarded with so much "American culture' it is becoming harder and harder to distinguish any difference between the US and Australia. Sad but true.

Please, stop with the jealousy based ranting.  If Australia was important, then the United Nations would be based there.

Jealousy? Of what? Maybe I'm jealous of Americas "international image'? I don't think so. You'll find the only people who could be considered 'jealous' or 'envious' are from countries who consider themselves to have less than America, and this is usually seen solely from a financial perspective. The UN is a toothless tiger formed, in main by the US to serve ITS agenda. I'm quite happy that my country is not a member.

As for our politicians, give me a break!  America sets the standard for freedom of speech, and political process in the world--no matter what you might think.  I wonder what the non-corrupt politicians of Australia would do when faced with a sliver of the challenges of running the most successful country in the history of the world?

If America is setting the standard for our freedom of speech and political processes God? help us all. Funny you can make a statement like that whilst your own freedom of speech is being eroded on a daily basis ie The Patriot Acts 1 & 2. One of many examples.

Your lack of knowledge of the challenges, and the scale of the disaster in New Orleans is laughable.  The problems there lie in multiple layers of culture, history, geography, politics, and much more.  The absolute size of the disaster is unprecedented.  In the USA, New Orleans is not even a top 25 city in terms of population, production, etc.  Yet, New Orleans would be the 2nd or 3rd most important city in Australia by the same measurements.  To have a city of that size, relative to your Australia, be virtually destroyed by nature--well, I highly doubt that Australia could fix it in a thousand years.

My knowledge of Katrina may be a little limited, yes. But the facts remain, while your government is spending billions of dollars fighting illegal wars in at least 2 sovereign nations, residents of New Orleans still do not have homes......etc..

Our largest city is Sydney, population approaching 5 million. We quite regularly suffer large natural disasters including Cyclones, drought (which we are in the middle of now), flooding and bushfires. I don't expect you to have any understandings about these issues as your media rarely covers anything that happens in our country...unless of course it involved the late Steve Irwin or Crocodile Dundee.

So, just remember Mark, when Australia needs a hand the USA will be there-----I just don't remember any Australians in New Orleans when we needed help.

We offer and give America much support including having a few of your bases here including Pine Gap. This base, although quite secretive, is known to play a vital role in your military information gathering amongst other things. You seem to think America gives us all the help but have ittle or no knowledge of what Australia does to help America. Do some more research, check out some more facts

Chaucito mis amigos,

Marco

Peace

Mark

# Mark says :
2 July, 2008 [ 20:04 ]

Marco,

Forgort to mention, Americas involvement in WW1, WW2, Vietnam and Iraq/Afghanistan all began with what is known as a "FALSE FLAG' operation.

Google it

Peace

Mark

# Mark says :
2 July, 2008 [ 20:13 ]

Marco,

Another thing, the decisions made by your then President Franklin D Roosevelt regarding the Japanese were more than enough motivation for the bombing of Pearl Harbour. Sad but true...

Without these political decisions America would have remained uninvolved in WW2 and yes maybe I would be speaking Japanese now.

A lot of people might not have died and a lot of money might not have been made as well

Peace

Mark

# Rachel says :
2 July, 2008 [ 20:14 ]

I just hope that people realize that the Shining Path still exists and it has been making a resurgance in the areas of Ayacucho and Apurimac. As a matter of fact, US Embassy employees are prohibited traveling through those areas by night, are even restricted from venturing into certain areas b/c of Shining Path activities and can only use commercial bus to travel those areas.

I agree that coca-leaf eradication should be left out. Certainly I think there should be punishment for farmers that knowingly provide drug-lords with coca-leaf for cocaine production (it's one of many ingredients involved), but I think having a U.S. presence, such as the Marines, would assist the Peruvian government in monitoring and combating terrorist activity in the region.

Unless we want Peru to have a legacy another dirty war, it's a much better option to have a US military in the region to equip and assist the Peruvian military in their efforts to subdue terrorist activities.

Also, DO remember that the FARC has been enabling the Shining Path recently. It's not a minor reprisal.

We all know how incapable Garcia is when it comes to dealing with terrorists, too.

With a U.S. military base there would certainly be a substantial economic benefit for a region that's considered one of the poorest in Peru.

# Rachel says :
2 July, 2008 [ 20:22 ]

I'm sorry, I cannot let the Vietnam comment go without rebuttal. Vietnam was a FRENCH affair. Guess which country came to help and guess which country bailed out? History speaks for itself.

BUT this article isn't about communism and Evo Morales is anything but a communist.

His ideals are based on his indigenous beliefs and being tied to Chavez and Correa is the only way he, as an outcast, can hang on to any political or economic hope.

Do I need to re-mention that Bolivia is the poorest country in SA? I don't see Morales doing anything to improve its economic rank. Not that he would have the education or experience to know how to. He doesn't measure up too well as a leader.

# David says :
2 July, 2008 [ 21:06 ]

This goes on and on and on!

We all have the right to feel the way we do without calling another's point of view garbage.

There is no question in this American's mind that we are the greatest country in modern times. We have given aid as much or more then has been stated above in this topic.

What I question is the motives behind this "giving". By planting a base of any kind we are also planting our influence, our ideology and our political sights.

Yes a base will benefit the people of Peru to some extent in the short term, it will also give the US government reason to raise taxes on the citizenry once again.

In the long run this base will cost the tax payers far more then anyone ever expected and the ultimate cost to Peru will be partial loss of there culture and independence. The area will come to depend on this base as a means of income, and after 20 years or so if the US wants to remove the base the government of Peru will be left with a decision.

Pay the US to keep the base, or let the local economy which the US now subsidizes go bust.

As bad as it is I wish the US would stay out of the affairs of others. There is no question in my mind that this is much more a global economy then our forefathers could have ever imagined but we must keep our national identity. That goes for all the nations of the world.

And just a fact worth mentioning, when the US placed our troops under the direction and command of UN generals I for one was finished. We as Americans have a duty to protect our shores not serve under a flag of another entity.

David

You all make very good points and that is important, the free expression of your thoughts. So weather right or left, wrong or right, keep the opinions and facts coming.

# danidanado says :
3 July, 2008 [ 00:40 ]

Dr. J is the communist propanda spewing Dr.Jason Smith who commented just before you and I, Mark.  And yes the US is talking to Peruvian authorities about installing a base near Ayacucho, but talk is just that:TALK.  Not going to happen any time soon, if ever.  I'd support it though, any economic assistance from anybody, period.  Even chavez.  My friends and I perhaps don't have the same education as you and Dr. Jason Smith, but we, like most Peruvians, have enough smarts not to buy into anybodies political idealism.  We'll make our path, thanks.

# Marco says :
3 July, 2008 [ 08:56 ]

Mark,

One of the greatest examples of ignorance is the dogged and stubborn hanging onto of provincial and parochial belief systems.  For every point you make, there is an opposite position that in the light of day carries more weight than your finger pointing approach.

Your conspiracy theories border on the ridiculous.  Yes, FDR made some comments prior to the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor in a cowardly sneak attack.  However, according to you it's okay to attack and kill Americans if they say something, but at the same time it's wrong for Americans to defend themselves.  You insert such things as making money into history in order to justify your point of view.  That, my friend, is what is sad. 

As for the eroding of Americans rights---frankly, I have felt for a long time that there are a lot of spoiled, silly people in the USA who don't have a good grasp of such issues as freedom of speech, etc.   We can all see that in the posts by Dr. Jason Smith.  His hatred of the USA is probably only surpassed by his hatred for himself.

Just as importantly, I have also felt for a long time that many of our allies don't understand it either.  Nothing is being eroded.  Nothing is being taken from the American people with regards to their rights.  It is all in place.

Now, as for our enemies, both foreign and domestic--well, things have become a lot tougher for them.  That is a good thing!

I walk, speak, act, and conduct all aspects of my daily life the same as I have everyday in the past--these are some of the rights guaranteed in the Constitution. 

I forgive the Australians that I meet for their inability to comprehend what America really means as an ideology.  America is not perfect, no place is, but I would gladly take the USA over Australia any day.  There is nothing crumbling here.  America is not failing.  Things change here, just as they do in the rest of the world, and adjustments have to be made. 

Sure, there are winners and losers here, and probably it is more starkly evident than say in a softly socialist country like Australia.  However, it is a marvelous place where somebody like me---a bastard who doesn't know his father coming from a broken home five times over, who paid his own way through university waiting tables (I actually ate the leftovers from the customers off of their plates because I was so broke at times), who cleaned bars at night after they closed and slept on the billiard tables because I couldn't afford to pay rent, ended up becoming successful enough to retire at 43---well, I don't think it would have happened anywhere else.  It did happen because of those freedoms that exist here, that allow barriers of class, race, income, and whatever else, to be lowered so that a person who had zero going for him could get ahead. 

So, if that is all wrong and bad, then I apologize.

I love Peru.  I love the people and their history.  I have a huge amount of faith in the decision making of Peruvians today.  Things are changing all around the world quicker than ever before.   If Peru needs help, this American will help, and so will many others.  Peru is embracing democracy at a rapidly growing pace.  Many people will not understand, but the overwhelming majority will see that Peru is improving.  That is a good thing, too.

Morales is not a good leader in Bolivia, that is evident.  I have personal experience with his coarse and dangerous attitudes as they were shown to me by some of his village based henchmen on the altiplano.  So far, it looks to me like he has taken Bolivia backwards, making it even poorer than it was before.  I don't like to see it, and hopefully, Peru won't ever go his route, or the Shining Path's.

Peru shouldn't listen to Morales, or for that matter, Chavez in Ecuador.  Their tired old way of using the USA as a scapegoat for their own personal ineptitude is really annoying.  I applaud Peru for telling Morales to shut up.  Next chance Peru gets it should tell Chavez to shut up as well.

The presence, or the absence, of an American military base in Peru at the end of the day probably doesn't add up to a lot when measured  against all the challenges that face Peru.  However, the one thing that Peru needs is stability both economically, and politically, in order to advance.  So, if an American base would offer that, it is probably more good than bad.  Even if some money is made by somebody somewhere.

Muchas gracias amigos.  Un abrazo por a ustedes.

Chau,

Marco

# Adam Goldberger says :
3 July, 2008 [ 09:47 ]

Well said Marco. Everything you said has my support.

# David Rockefeller says :
3 July, 2008 [ 10:02 ]

Well Marco. I am impressed. You've really stuck it to those communists. Thanks for your support of our country and my economy.

# Wolfgang Leander says :
3 July, 2008 [ 10:20 ]

Marco:

You have your brain in the right place, and your heart as well.

Wolfgang
 

# David Rockefeller says :
3 July, 2008 [ 11:29 ]

We should be working towards convincing people of the benefits of a more unified government. Trade blocks should be established between north and south America with the goal of one day forming a unified Government.

It is is everyones interests to form a true United States of All America. The first step would be bases in Peru and Colombia to undermine the lunatics in Venzuela and Bolivia.

Only with unity can there be wealth and peace.

# David says :
3 July, 2008 [ 11:40 ]

How you can read the "Patriot Act" and still feel as you do is beyond me.

The constitution is no longer a viable document as it's powers have been pushed aside. Worse then that is the fact that little or nothing was done by the American people to stop it.

The more one government has control the less we have in the way of choice. Choice is what it has always been about, not control.

David

Feel free to join the discussion in the forums, we’ve got one going on politics that is up to 6 pages now. Please bring along some facts as opinions we all have.

# jcwong says :
3 July, 2008 [ 11:54 ]

thank god common sense shows its face,
good comments marco.

stability and long term plans and goals, and peru will
get there (good life for most of its people)
sooner than later.

look at the latest (june) national geographic
for a good (although written by a morales
cheerleader) article on the altiplano (Bolivia),
strangely Peru does not get mentioned.

jcw

# David Rockefeller says :
3 July, 2008 [ 11:57 ]

The Patriot Act prevents terrorists from destroying our way of life. It's called the Patriot Act for a reason - if you are against it you are not a Patriot.

# Philip says :
3 July, 2008 [ 12:55 ]

Could you give us a link to that forum David, thanks.

# David says :
3 July, 2008 [ 17:39 ]

Philip it is the LIP forum. Just click on the forum link on the left side of the home page under forum.

Once in the forums there is any number of topics to chose from including politics.

All views are welcome, just keep things civil, and as always facts/quotes to support your argument always help.

For Mr. Rockefeller, The Patriot act also enables the government to eaves drop on unsuspecting citizens that simply may be asking questions of there government. I, and you, have a "right" privacy.

The government at times fails to recognize that they work for us and not the other way around, and when ever my government pays hundreds of $ for a hammer or a toilet seat it is not only my right but my obligation to question them. Cost over runs should be dealt with as you or I would deal with a contractor that was working on our home.

You gave me a bit of $2,000 for a roof that all you get. The government has the ability to ask and receive a guarantee of payment from these international companies that they do business with.

If I'm paying 2 billion $ for a new bridge you'd better believe that bridge will be delivered for 2 billion if not someone is going to the big house. CEO's, pay attention.

David

# Mark says :
3 July, 2008 [ 22:27 ]

Found an interesting article just published about Mr Morales and Bolivia in this months National Geographic. Thought you might like to read it

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/07/bolivias-new-order/alma-guillermoprieto-text/1

Perhaps America could divert some of the $12 billion plus it gives to Israel each and every year to help Bolivia out of the situation that has arisen from decades of corrupt government. Since the Spanish invaded, Bolivia has been little more than a penal colony supplying silver and other raw materials to Spain and in the more recent past natural gas and oil to others. 

But then again Mr Morales doesn't support American ideology does he?

Unlike Peru he disagrees with what America is proposing for his nation and the region. He's allowed to disagree isn't he? Although I do remember what is now a very famous speech by Mr Bush something along the lines of " if your not with us your against us'! If Peru wants to sign a FTA with the US that's fine. It's not up to Morales to say they can't.

He supports his people, seems like the only people who dislike him in his own country are the Bolivian elite who lost control when he was elected and by the ones outside that he annoys by not towing the line. He does need to leave Peru to make their own decisions, this is obvious, just as all countries need to butt out of what doesn't involve them.

The prior Bolivian administrations did nothing to help the poor and back then they were puppets of other nations. All they did was bankrupt the country and line their own pockets.

It's very hard to achieve anything when you have another powerful country condenming your government through any political and economic means they can. "The War On Drugs" is an example of this.

Mr Morales was put into power by the poor indigenous people of Bolivia because they were sick of the corruption of the 'white' minority. He has taken several steps in addressing these issues but unfortunately has not shown much progress. I hope in the future he makes progress.

Maybe they can go back to the old system of corrupt government - maybe that will keep the west happy. Whatever works for them I suppose.

It's a shame that the countries that were once joined together by a great empire have been torn apart through differing ideologies. 

Peace

Mark

# mericorps says :
3 July, 2008 [ 22:49 ]

As I wrote elsewhere,

To question the government when they fail the people is both Patriotic and essential to American freedom.

It was what our country was founded upon.

When the country fails to maintain our highest document, the Constitution, and fails to respect the citizenry, then they have make America something less.

To put their feet to the fire for such failure is Patriotic and shows a love of American and what it stands for.

In the reverse, the refuse to question or hold government accountable to the Constitution and the people is treason...it destroys what the USA is supposed to stand for.

# Marco says :
4 July, 2008 [ 07:53 ]

Hola amigos,

I first have to correct my earlier entry.  Chavez is in Venezuela, not Ecuador.  I knew that but failed to catch the error.  Lo siento! 

Also, I agree with the moderator.  I will post political view points on other discussions in the forums. 

I apologize for having taken this string slightly off base.

I agree that the National Geographic article is well written about Bolivia.  However, the proof is in the pudding, as we say in the USA.

Hasta luego,

Marco