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After over 7 million people around the world choose their favorite flag through a Spanish website, the site's users have organized a new contest: The Best Traditional Dish in the World.# Doctor says :
16 July, 2008 [ 13:32 ]
Yeah, it's the best dish in the world to give you stomach cancer.
# miguel says :
16 July, 2008 [ 14:50 ]
LOL always negative comments . What about steak hamburgers & all that american rubbish fast foods very healthy hahaha grow up.
Ceviche is totally healthy ignore this pathetic comment.
# Daniel says :
16 July, 2008 [ 15:58 ]
I agree with you Miguel. I guess his food was at the bottom of the list :)
Btw, the hamburgers in the use are made from ground beef not steak.
# Daniel says :
16 July, 2008 [ 15:59 ]
Opps, meant to say:
...hamburgers in the 'us' are made....
# Juan says :
16 July, 2008 [ 18:02 ]
The fact that RAW FISH causes STOMACH CANCER is very well known:
http://www.healthcentral.com/acid-reflux/news-44187-66.html
Experts link raw fish to liver cancer in SE Asia
Tuesday, Jul. 10, 2007; 10:26 AM
HONG KONG (Reuters) - Thai researchers have urged people in Southeast Asia to stop eating raw freshwater fish because they risk becoming infected with a parasitic worm that may predispose them to developing liver cancer.
At issue are parasitic worms, commonly known as fluke, which infest rivers in rural parts of Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Korea and China. The worms find their way into freshwater fish and into humans when the fish is consumed raw.
Writing in the latest issue of the Public Library of Science journal PLoS Medicine, the researchers said most people infected with fluke showed no symptoms but some went on to develop liver cancer years later.
"Less than 1 percent who are infected with fluke will get liver cancer, but those who get infected are in the millions in Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam. There are 6 million (infected with fluke) in Thailand," said Banchob Sripa of the pathology department in Thailand's northern Khon Kaen University.
Banchob has studied the link between fluke infection and liver cancer, particularly in the bile duct, for more than 20 years.
He and his colleagues found fluke infection to be especially serious in the north and northeastern provinces of Thailand, where a raw fish dish, called Koi-Pla, is popular.
"Stop eating this, it's the easiest thing to do," Banchob said in a telephone interview.
He said fluke attack the human bile duct and the incursion triggers a "cytokine storm" -- an immune response so intense that it destroys not only the parasites, but the person's surrounding tissues as well.
"There are two mechanisms. The fluke has two suckers. It can bite the surface epithelium of the bile duct and cause ulcers. The second is the inflammation," Banchob said.
"The ones with more inflammatory cytokines may have more inflammation ... and these may develop cancer later on."
Liver cancer is usually diagnosed when it is far advanced because symptoms surface late.
"Most who are diagnosed have advanced cancers, like stage 4, so they only get palliative care. It is very difficult to detect early lesions because there are no symptoms," he said.
Most deaths occur within six months to a year of diagnosis. "There would be zero survivors after five years," he said.
# Anonymous Dave says :
16 July, 2008 [ 18:08 ]
Moron.
1) Liver cancer, not stomach cancer
2) A parasitic worm can cause it, not raw fish
You just disproved your statement while trying to justify it. If I could manage to stop laughing I'd call you a moron! Oh, that's right, I already did! Hahahahaa.
# JUan says :
16 July, 2008 [ 18:17 ]
Sushi, Ceviche and Parasites
By: George Van ZantAll information for this story was derived from the book "Probably More Than You Want to Know About The Fishes Of The Pacific Coast." By Milton Love.
I almost threw up the first time I saw a worm back out of fish carcass. At the age of 13, on Belmont Pier I had just filleted a 15 inch halibut and while the skeleton carcass reclined on the fish cleaning board a worm crawled out from between the rib bones. Upon close perusal I discovered many more of these worms neatly imbedded in the left over flesh between the bones. Ugh! Quickly grabbing the carcass by the tail I sent it back to the waters below. I held the cleaned filets to the light and discovered about 3 more inside the four filets. They were also sent back from whence they came.
An old timer regular to the pier witnessed the whole thing and immediately chastised me. "Those worms wont hurt you boy, they add taste to the meat!" I was to hear that remark many, many times in the future "Besides, normal cooking of the meat destroys all parasites, worms or otherwise." Yes he was and is correct. Even though for me it is still difficult to keep a fish with critters crawling all over his body.
After this incident no fish escaped my worm search. I have found parasites in every single Pacific Ocean fish I have caught over the years. The worst infestation I have seen was the Isopod parasites that infested the newly planted striped bass that were planted in Alamitos Bay a few years back. They chewed on the fins and the tail unmercifully. I caught lots of the
planted stripers and every single fish had only a nub for a tail left. These parasites also loved to exist, stuck to inside the gill covers, eating away at something not really obvious to the eye. I released every fish I caught after pulling off the inch long suckers. Sometimes I found as many as 10 leeches on a 12 inch fish. They were ugly, looking like a giant sow bugs with hooks on the ends of each segment of their body.Usually parasites don¹t bother the host. They feed upon them in such small amounts the host fish really aren¹t bothered by them. As far as we are concerned, all parasites are destroyed with normal cooking procedures and most people cook all their food without any intention of eating raw meat unless it¹s very rare cooked steak. The only people that I know of that ingested raw meat was the Indians and early Mountain Men. They ate the warm liver out of a freshly slayed Buffalo. Maybe that¹s why their life expectancy was about 40 years.
There are six different varieties of parasites that infect our Pacific fish.
1. Protozoa: These are microscopic organisms found in most Pacific Coast fishes. They can be seen when they form cysts about the size of rice grains. They are found abundantly in boccaccio. (salmon grouper, slimeys). This parasite is harmless to humans.2. Leeches: They look like worms with a head on each end. They slit the skin of the host and ingest their blood.
3. Tapeworms: Adult tapeworms are found in the intestines of many marine animals. They range in size from an inch to more than a foot in length. They are most often seen crawling from a fish¹s anus when the gut is accidentally cut while the fish is being cleaned.
4. Copepods: "Fish Lice" can be seen scuttling across a fresh caught fishes exterior. Some varieties permanently bury their heads in the host, when the skin heals over they are permanently attached to the host.
5. Isopods: These are the critters that infested the striped bass that we caught,
6. Roundworms and Flukes: These are the ones that get to humans. The disease is called "anisakiasis" or "codworm" or "herring-worm" disease. If you eat active larval stages of this particular roundworm the larva, finding itself in a non marine environment starts burrowing into your stomach or intestinal wall. This creates lesions on the stomach wall and somebody has to go inside and pull the little critters out. This used to done with major surgery but can now be done with fiber optics. Oh goody!
Most countries that do commercial fishing are required to freeze fish at 4 degrees for 24-60 hours if they are to be consumed in a raw state. This kills the larva and lets those that want, eat their raw fish.
Contrary to popular belief, acidic or brine based marinades are not strong enough to kill the roundworm larva, so ceviche dishes can also cause problems. Basically, if you plan to eat raw fish, it comes down to this: 1) examine and remove all the larva from the flesh or freeze it for 24-60 hours at 40 degrees. 2) cook or smoke the fish thoroughly. 3) don¹t depend on pickling, curing or home refrigeration to kill the larvae.
P.S Don¹t hold a filet up to the light searching for larvae in a Sushi Bar while the cook has one of those large knives in his hands!
# Lulu says :
16 July, 2008 [ 18:25 ]
But isn't the fish/seafood in the ceviche essentially "cooked" in the acids from the lime juice marinade so that it isn't raw in the same way that sushi or sashimi is?I love ceviche!!
# Test says :
16 July, 2008 [ 18:27 ]
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# LOL says :
16 July, 2008 [ 18:30 ]
LOL Dave you are the moron...
Ceviche causes stomach cancer
look on CNN Health/Wikipedia etc.
because its not letting me put the links on here
Have a nice day :)
# LOL says :
16 July, 2008 [ 18:33 ]
Since its not letting put the link:
Basically, the fish are contaminated with Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori), a bacteria which causes STOMACH CANCER. Also studies have shown that high consumption of Salty Fish causes STOMACH CANCER.
There are plently of studies online. I suggest you use google.
Have a nice day :)
# Miguel says :
16 July, 2008 [ 20:11 ]
Healthy food - Ceviche link below:
http://www.mealtime.org/recipe_details.aspx?id=1490
# Anonymous Dave says :
16 July, 2008 [ 20:44 ]
I pity you, our beloved local troll, if you don't know the difference between Ceviche(a food) and Worms(a parasite). But I laugh at you for not knowing the difference between your stomach and your liver.
Just to make it clear...
Your articles state that worm infestations (from raw fish, salad or other non-consumption methods) could cause liver cancer NOT that ceviche causes cancer. And not of the "stomach".
Did you know you are more likely to suffer from cancer by breathing air? Oxygen - a horrrible oxidant found in air - is the number one cause of cancer, though little reported. A fascinating fact.
Did you know by crossing the street to escape the dreaded cevichería, you are breathing in more cancer causing car fumes than you could consume cancer causing ceviche elements(i.e. multiple infestations of worms) in 1000 lifetimes?
I realise you are a troll and have skimmed over the above and are ready to make some other arguementative remark or merely repeat the same lies, but other people may want to know these facts. So I have replied.
And no Lulu, the acid does not kill worm larve. Be careful where you eat. If you live in Peru and eat ceviche regularly or eat in very cheap restaurants, take anti-worm medicine once a year. And Don't Panic. Most worms are easy to treat, most even go unnoticed - some, such as tape worms elivate alergies!. Hook Worms, well, watch for early signs and you'll be fine, leave the symptoms for a year or so - then you are in trouble.
# Dave makes a fool of himself again says :
16 July, 2008 [ 22:02 ]
Why stomach cancer develops
Healthy cells grow and divide in an orderly way. This process is controlled by DNA — the genetic material that contains the instructions for every chemical process in your body. Some of the genes in your DNA promote cell division and some slow cell division or program cells to die at the right time. Still other genes control processes that help repair DNA. When DNA is damaged, these genes may not function properly, causing cells to grow out of control and eventually form a tumor — a mass of malignant cells.Although the causes of many types of cancer aren't clear, researchers have made progress in pinpointing factors that damage DNA in stomach cells and in understanding how that damage leads to cancer. These factors include:
- H. pylori infection. A majority of the world's population is infected with corkscrew-shaped bacteria called Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori) that live deep in the mucous layer that coats the lining of the stomach. Although it's not entirely clear how the bacteria are transmitted, it's likely they spread from person to person through the oral-fecal route or are ingested in contaminated drinking water. H. pylori infection frequently occurs in childhood and can last throughout life if not treated. It's the primary cause of stomach ulcers, accounting for at least 80 percent of all cases. It may also be the main cause of stomach cancer. According to the World Health Organization, close to half the annual new cases of stomach cancer can be attributed to H. pylori infection. Having ulcers doesn't necessarily put you at higher risk of stomach cancer, but having H. pylori infection does. That's because long-term infection causes inflammation that can lead to precancerous changes in the stomach lining. One of these changes is atrophic gastritis, a condition in which the acid-producing glands are slowly destroyed. It's likely that low acid levels prevent cancer-causing toxins from being properly broken down or flushed out of your stomach. Countries such as China and Colombia, where a majority of children are infected with H. pylori, have a correspondingly high rate of stomach cancer.
- Nitrates and nitrites. These are nitrogen-based chemicals that are added to certain foods, especially cured meats such as ham and bacon, hot dogs and deli meats. Both nitrates and nitrites combine with other nitrogen-containing substances in your stomach to form N-nitroso compounds — carcinogens that are known to cause stomach cancer.
- Salted, smoked or pickled foods and red meat. Before the advent of refrigeration, people commonly preserved food by salting, smoking or pickling. But these foods often contain large amounts of nitrites and nitrates, which can be converted in your stomach into cancer-causing compounds. Countries where consumption of salted meat and fish and pickled vegetables is high — Japan and Korea are notable examples — tend to have correspondingly high rates of stomach cancer. Eating a diet high in red meat, especially when the meat is barbecued or well done, also has been linked to stomach cancer.
- Tobacco and alcohol use. Both can irritate the stomach lining and are especially likely to cause cancer in the upper part of the stomach closest to the esophagus.
- Low socioeconomic level. Low-income children and adults are more likely to develop stomach cancer than are those with higher incomes. Researchers believe this may be due to the rapid spread of H. pylori in crowded living conditions. In addition, breast-feeding can help protect infants against H. pylori, and low-income mothers are more likely to bottle-feed their babies.
# Dave's Preist says :
16 July, 2008 [ 22:05 ]
Dave I have to laugh at how someone could be as dumb as you are. Utterly racist, Homophobic, and completely incapable of thinking rationally and critically, you'll silly world revolves around you silly religion and beliefs which are not based on sciense. Please do yourself a favor, turn off your television and take some college courses.
# Get a clue says :
16 July, 2008 [ 22:08 ]
Everyone knows the waters around Peru have to be among the dirtiest on the planet. Why anyone would expose himself to all the chemicals and pollution in the water by eating fish is beyond me. Even bacon is healthier than fish, at least it isn't filled with tons mercury and other cancer causing chemicals, thanks to all the fools and businesses who haved dump their toxic garbage into the rivers and ocean
Get a clue people..
# Anonymous Dave says :
16 July, 2008 [ 22:10 ]
Fine fine, you win I lose. Aaanyway... how did you guess my name was Dave? I'm posting anonymously.
# Kevin says :
16 July, 2008 [ 22:47 ]
I'm amazed at all the "loonies" that are posting idiotic comments about a simple piece of news like "ceviche being labeled best traditional food in the world". Now we have all the "experts" coming out of the woodwork putting their two bits worth in. Why don't you just live and let live? Just let people enjoy their ceviche. Chances are..they won't get stomach or liver cancer.
Doomsayers...why don't you just enjoy your "ebola hamburgers" and stop harrassing people who enjoy ceviche! What diabolical pleasure do you get out of trashing Peru's national dish? Why be negative?
It appears that anytime anything good is written about Peru, whether about the economy, gastronomy, or else.....the trolls come out with their useless opinions.
# Lulu says :
16 July, 2008 [ 23:06 ]
Good lord. All this talk of liver cancer and stomach cancer and fluke worms, tape worms (I'd rather suffer from the allergies, thanks), flat worms, roundworms, hookworms ... ¡que asco!Bon apetít!
# Michelle says :
16 July, 2008 [ 23:07 ]
Not to mention the article mentioned FRESHWATER fish....and the lime kills anything alive in there ;)
# Anonymous Dave says :
17 July, 2008 [ 00:46 ]
Michelle, ceviche doesn't have any limes in it. And no, the acid from the lemons does not kill parasites unfortunately.
Troll, you are right about the poluted seas and the high mercury content of sea fish. I wouldn't eat too much of it. But remember, one whole lenguado or tilapia contains far less chemicals than one breath of Lima air... so the truth of the matter is that you could eat all the ceviche you want and it wouldn't make a difference. Plus, the nutritional value of the fish is certainly higher that the dangerous contents... but you can avoid risks all together with some trucha. Don't fry it though... that would cause cancer.doh!
# mr. bonito says :
17 July, 2008 [ 02:50 ]
Are you all nuts?
you mean if i eat other fish i can get stomach and liver cancer?
i better change diets!...hmmmm lets see first ill move a bit north
is the water in front of los angeles ok? then ill start eating
shrimp....hmmm maybe octopus
boy, this is the craziest web site in the world, it's
supposed to inform english speakers from any part of the
world living in or outside of peru about its culture, gastronomy, history,
current events, etc instead you get all these looney tunes characters!!
ceviche bad for you? go back to chile or the states please and avoid this web site.
# cheechee says :
17 July, 2008 [ 12:08 ]
All I can say is: LEMONS in the US are the yellow ones...LIMES in the US are the green ones ... this is some free education for Anonymous Dave, perhaps you want to add these words to your dictionary...
And yes, everytime something good is said about our beautiful country instead of feeling proud we go ahead and destroy it with stupid comments like all of the above.
Enjoy ceviche - BTW I make very good ceviche - anyone want to try?
# Rita says :
17 July, 2008 [ 12:23 ]
CEVICHE is the best plate and most well known in the world! I am proud to be a peruvian.
If anyone wishes to comment or post any studies, why don't you open up a topic in the LIP forum. I do not understand why everyone is ruining the news postings with all these bad and negative comments.
# Anonymous Dave says :
17 July, 2008 [ 13:18 ]
cheechee... What has the US got to do with anything? Your free education is not needed. I'd rather pay and be told something that is correct. Fool.
The little green citrus fruits in Peru are LEMONS. They are not LIMES. You can buy limes here, they are similar to what you would find in the US. The lemons you find here are small and green and are not limes, just another type of lemon. Arrogant idiot.
# deathbeforedishonorx says :
17 July, 2008 [ 14:58 ]
ummmm, ceviche!!!
# Fran says :
17 July, 2008 [ 15:46 ]
Hey everybody: don't put up with Anonymous Dave calling people "moron", "arrogant idiot", "fool". No one has to put up with those insults....report him to LIP, give him a taste of his own medicine, or insist that he stop his insults....don't let him get away with that!
Anonymous Dave: I guess you fancy yourself a MENSA member, but you really come across to me as a guy with average intelligence. So why pretend? The fact that you have to resort to words like "moron", "arrogant idiot", "fool" tells me you're not cultured or educated. People who have some degree of culture and education don't resrot to treating people like that. So, get rid of that attitude.....now!
# julissa says :
17 July, 2008 [ 16:17 ]
ceviche!!!! you can do it with LIMES or LEMONS it will be the same, if.. u know how to do it.
# Anonymous Dave says :
17 July, 2008 [ 16:29 ]
Fran. Don't dare to presume what I fancy myself as. You plain don't know. Internet trolls are morons, idiots and fools. So are people who talk rubbish about ceviche causing cancer. How could you say that and not be a fool?
# Fran says :
19 July, 2008 [ 00:34 ]
Anonymouss Dave: I am saying that you can give your opinion without insulting people......even if you consider them to be "internet trolls, morons, idiots and fools". What if some of us think you are all of the above?, but choose not to insult you because we feel it's uncivil to call people names...especially in this LIP website. I read your comments on other topics and I've come to the conclusion that you have gotten yourself in a very bad habit of abusing people with your insulting comments. Anon.Dave....this is not the place to do that. There must be another way that you can vent your personal frustrations instead of being verbally aggressive. I'm asking you, in the name of the people who contribute to this very nice website, to stop your verbal abuse. It's just a matter of changing your attitude and using a little discipline....that's all!
# Lulu says :
19 July, 2008 [ 10:01 ]
I have to second what Fran said. It's a complete and utter freak show on these pages. It doesn't matter what the original topic of the news article is, the posts inevitably degenerate into a free-for-all of insults and name calling. I posted a few things in response to an item on fashion and was called a racist, which I most certainly am not. I started to defend myself but it's futile, really. It would just be a back-and-forth of "yes, you are" and "no, I'm not." What's the point? Just drop it and move on. And try and be civil. Just because people can't see you, there's no reason to get nasty. If you wouldn't say something in person to someone you do not know, then don't vent it here.
# Fran says :
19 July, 2008 [ 13:45 ]
Lulu: if we all insist on civility....then we can have interesting, decent discussions. We all need to pull the plug on people who post vicious comments here just to vent their personal frustrations. This is a place for thinking people who would like to contribute constructive criticism, without the need to call people "morons", "idiots", "fools"...and yes, "racists".
# Lulu says :
19 July, 2008 [ 15:22 ]
I know the editors remove posts that have profanity, and I complained once about a post with the N word and it was removed, but I don't know that we can do anything about people going off topic and using insults. I suppose it's up to the editors of Living in Peru to moderate and perhaps limit the scope of responses.
# mericorps says :
19 July, 2008 [ 20:59 ]
Lulu,
why would you complain about a post with the N word, you offer your own set of racist views quite regularly.
# Max says :
27 July, 2008 [ 00:46 ]
I agree with Lulu in that we should be more civilized in the way we express our opinions. After all, I think that we would all agree that eating ceviche made with a good quality fresh fish is far less risky than eating any hamburgers made of "ground meat". Besides, I think I'll take my chances eating the best ceviche in the world.
# Miguel says :
27 July, 2008 [ 01:42 ]
Estos Gringos de mierda se attreven a escribir sus malditas opiniones.
Viva el Peru Carajo.
Yankees go home.
# Lulu says :
27 July, 2008 [ 12:39 ]
Thanks, Max. I love ceviche and I have never had any health problems as a result of eating it. It's fresh, healthy and low in fat.
Oh, Miguel, Miguel, Miguel. I'm a gringa (not "de mierda" however) whose parents are Peruvian and I'm interested in spending extended periods of time in Peru and that's why I read this website. Living in Peru is aimed at not only "yankees" but anyone who is interested in living in Peru, which can be a positive thing depending on your attitude. Obviously you don't agree, which is your prerogative, but please remember the rules explicitly posted below:
"Por ahora solo se permiten comentarios en ingles."
Thank you!
# Carmen says :
27 July, 2008 [ 17:14 ]
es riquisimo, fortificante, tienen que probarlo.
# peloflex says :
28 July, 2008 [ 13:14 ]
I really wonder if this member that goes under "Miguel" is really a peruvian.... or maybe someone just trying to make us peruvian people look bad... hmmm! interesting what you can do when you have no face... just eyes, but no face
# cheechee says :
31 July, 2008 [ 16:26 ]
had been on vacation for a few days...and did not expect such disrespect from Anonymous Dave...
We Peruvians tend to translate literally our spanish words, especially when we have learned the language at home but do not use it on a daily basis. Once you learn proper English, American English that is with jergons and all, you learn that (at least in the US - I live there) limones verdes, even the little ones are called limes, and that the yellow ones, very different from our delicious Limas, are called lemons.
Hope this clarifies...whose the fool now??? HAAA!!!
# cheechee says :
31 July, 2008 [ 17:18 ]
That's right! I AM! HAAAAAA!!!!
# Anonymous Dave says :
31 July, 2008 [ 20:15 ]
CheeChee,
It doesn't matter if Peruvian Lemons are called Limes in the US, they are still Lemons. That Peruvian Lemons look like US Limes is not important. They are not the same.
# ivy says :
11 August, 2008 [ 18:32 ]
shut up all the people who dont like ceviche and go and eat 0junk food and die faster all of ya are tight cuz your country couldnt invent sumthing as good as my peruvian people
# David N says :
11 August, 2008 [ 22:25 ]
Best traditional dish? Well, considering that the vote was on a Spanish website the selection is very biased and subjective. Many people in the world find eating raw fish revolting.
I've eaten ceviche many times, though, and it's ok once in a while. What's concerning is after reading some of the comments and learning the seafood in Peru is so contaminated.
# Apatapahualpapapa says :
12 August, 2008 [ 00:11 ]
Quechueslovakos: (Miguel, cheechee, ivy.etc): porpotenpesepe bienpe!
nospo espetanpa hapacienpedopo quepedarpa malpa copomopo Peperuapanospo!!
# peloflex says :
12 August, 2008 [ 13:54 ]
David N,
I would totally disencourage you from eating Ceviche....
you have way too much SOUR already on your body...
try some strawberry jell-O for a change...
# Bob Cobb says :
13 April, 2009 [ 23:40 ]
Of COURSE Dave! Mmmmm yes mmmm try our JELLOmmmPUDDINGmmmsnacks! Nothing healthier than continue cooking the sh%^ out of everything we put in our stomach and then topping it off with some good ol fashioned caaarn syrup. Why, you know what they say about "caaarn syrup" dernt ya Archie? Gollie gee gosh!Add your comment
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