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Defense Minister Discards Threat of War Between Chile - Peru

(LIP-ir) -- Peru's Minister of Defense, Allan Wagner, stated that Peru should not let itself be provoked by the inappropriate reaction Chile's politicians had to the maritime border map Peru published on Sunday.

The map, published in Peru's official government newspaper - El Peruano, makes up part of Peru's case to be presented to the International Court of Justice.

Defense Minister Wagner labeled Chilean politician's reaction and the suggestion that there could be a military confrontation because of this map, an "aberration".

Chile's Deputy, Jorge Tarud, stated that the publication of the maritime border map could threaten the peace there is between Peru and Chile. He stressed that Chile's navy was ready to take action against any threat posed to Chile's sovereignty.

"We must not be provoked," stated Wagner, after having discarded that Peru feels threatened by the statements in any way. He declared that he trusted the decision the International Court of Justice would make and refuted statements Chilean Deputy Jorge Pizarro made, stating the World Court was incompetent of analyzing Peru's demands.

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# oli says :
15 August, 2007 [ 10:48 ]

I hope the dispute escalates until the USA join in and back Peru against the arrogant Chileans. Lets take them out and kick them out. I'm fed up with their business dominating the economy in Peru

# Stuart says :
15 August, 2007 [ 11:22 ]

I thought Chile's violent facist era was over...

# Juan Blake says :
15 August, 2007 [ 11:30 ]

I rather the USA help Peru prevent that fat communist pig Baby Huey, "Hugo Chavez, " & Ollanta Humala from undermining Peru, before it would consider helping to resolve border issues with Chile. The border issue is trivial compared to the influence that Chavez has through Ollanta. This is a far greater concern right now.

# Carlos Bagati says :
15 August, 2007 [ 11:38 ]

I guess you mean moral support coming from USA in regards too our border issue with Chile. If this is the case, yes. The border issue has been a hot topic for us Peruvians for a long time now. But I will agree that the threat of communism spreading through out Peru is of a greater concern no doubt.

# americorps says :
15 August, 2007 [ 12:22 ]

What is wrong here...

1. To blame Chile for the Peruvians not dominating business is not accurate...Chile has taken opportunity where Peruvians have fallen short. Chile did nothing illegal nor unethical, they took an opportunity when the Peruvians did not.

2. While I did live in Chile and do not find the culture to my tastes and I love Peru, I am not so arrogant or bigoted that I feel superior enough to blame all my problems on Chile nor make a damning statement about all Chileans based on my distrust of their political system. I consider that to be both biggoted and unhealthy and childish.

3. Again, I love Peru and do not want to live in Chile, but I am shocked at the Peruvians who are ready to call to arms over the politicians having a pissing contest, when the lives of your children are in the hands of terrorists supported by Chavez in the form of the SUTEP. If my children were in the hands of people who burn trains and airports, kill children with rocks and generally terrorize a nation for a week, my priorities would be different.

I think the government failed by placing the entire burden of the success of the education system on the backs of the teachers without giving them proper support, so I was not initially opposed to the strike, but when i saw they were terroristic animals, i would have fired every single teacher, sent them packing to VZ if that is what they want and taught my kids myself, or found a competent teacher who was not a terrorist....but that is just me.

I can tell you why Peruvian business fails when Chilean business succeeds, and it is the responsibilty of the Peruvians, not the fault of the Chileans.

Even though, again this is very important...i LOVE Peru and do not want to live in Chile...

The customer service and concept of contractual obligation here is infantile. So seldom do I get what I pay for. Things are always late, the factories make changes without consulting me..things are never as promised. Even small busineses, the kiosquito on the corner does not have a change for a ten sole bill for 6 soles of purchase, so they loose sales. The Bodega offers one price, and when they hear you have an American accent they up the price. The bodega on my street did that to me and has since come back and asked me why I go to the bodega 2 blocks away. I told him..the word to me is important, and when I can not trust your word, I will not buy your services.

Peru could be bigger and more powerful and more economically stable than chile..when they begin taking professional ethics seriously, until then...Peruvian businesses will continue to loose out to Chilean ones.

you have the best farms, the best cotton, the best mines, the best tourist attractions...and one of the hardest and strongest work ethics I have ever seen...but the word in business is not honored here and corruption is ignored. That is why Chile dominates your businesses.

# Tino Reyna says :
15 August, 2007 [ 12:40 ]

It's no use if we value highly our resources, our industrial production, because if we let it pass Chile will have a chance to take over everything that belong to us. Like I said, Chile stole our Pisco, our Suspiro, damaged a part of our ancient ruins in Cusco, and if we go back to our past they took part of our territory during the War on the Pacific, if Peru continues doing nothing at this situation, the national pride and dignity will be nothing in the future. Chileans are a gang of thieves that are still taking over everything we get, maybe they declare the war to us to raid on our Camisea gas plants, or something else they need just because they're just a little land of coast that lacks prime matters, resources, etc., I can't still understand the reason of being friends of this country. Chileans are just our neighbours, but not our friends, not even our brothers... The dignity of Peru is first.

# Andres says :
15 August, 2007 [ 12:52 ]

Peru publishes a new map that includes sovereign maritime territory claimed by Chile. Peru alleges no wrongdoing since such map issue follows internal law. It also claims issuing the map helps make the case for a border dispute with Chile before the International Court of Justice in The Hague.

Chile reacts to what perceives as a flagrant violation of international law and a unilateral provocation. Chile states no border dispute exists, since the maritime border was sealed by two treaties signed in the 1950s,  ratified and implemented by Legislative action in the 1960s.

Peru denies these documents are treaties. It calls them "Fishing agreements."

Curiously, the same documents involve a third nation, Ecuador. Peru says the same documents are in fact a border treaty with Ecuador, but only "fishing agreements" with Chile.

Please allow me to use an analogy to help explain the 'latest' issue between Chile and Peru. Imagine Canada making the announcement that the Webster-Ashburton Treaty isn't such, but a "fishing agreement."

I courteously invite everyone to leave prejudice aside and review the facts.

Regards,

# Jack Cross says :
15 August, 2007 [ 13:09 ]

I agree with Americorps. All of this crying about Chile this & Chile that is getting old. Until people discontinue the mind set of wishing too continue to suck off of the government tit for all of their wants and needs, then Peru will always play second fiddle to Chile. Teachers & Farmers alike that do not wish to live up to their responsibilites, will continue to help bring down Peru. The SUTEP strikes was a wake up call. Give Me, Give Me, Give Me. Peru is more than capable of kicking a-- & taking names economically. These SUTEP types need too pull themselves up by their own bootstraps & get their sh-t together or countries like Chile will continue to laugh at Peru. People like Mr. Chavez thrive upon people who are not willing too put forth the effort to help themselves, and instead rely upon the government too wipe thier a-- everytime they have too sit on the pot. And Tino? I don't know where you have been hanging out these days but everywhere I go, not just here in Peru, people are more than aware that Pisco IS PERUVIAN! Chile may make the claim that Pisco is their invention, but everyone knows that Chile is full of sh--. Pull your bootstraps up dude!

# Luis says :
15 August, 2007 [ 13:45 ]

Funny how the farmers in Cusco demanded tractors from the government & at the same time burned several tractors during the SUTEP strikes, alnog with the fuel tanks & the fuel trucks that supplied fuel for these very same tractors! I am scratching my head trying too figure out this logic. Yes, Chile will continue too laugh at us is a good statement too make.

# Rob Cox says :
15 August, 2007 [ 14:04 ]

God, Peruvians whining about Chile make me sick.  I have an outsiders perspective, coming from living in the US, Canada, Ireland, Costa Rica and now Peru.  In Peru, I have never seen a country with more potential that is wasted because of the CULTURE.  It's not Chile's fault, or the US or even the evil Hugo Chavez.  It is the people of Peru's fault that they aren't more successful.

I agree with the above comments for example about business ethics. I thought it was odd when I was warned several times by Peruvian friends not to do business with Peruvians because they are dishonest. Peruvians don't even trust Peruvians. Peruvians build walls with eletric fences around their homes because they can't trust each other. It's a sickness really.

Peru is simply a bad place for people to do business, they are lucky Chileans are willing to invest here at all.

Time to grow up Peru and stop blaming others for your problems.

(Don't hold your breath)

# Tino Reyna says :
15 August, 2007 [ 14:35 ]

I respect every thought and opinion written above in this blog, even the one who called my name, I don't expect anybody to share my thoughts either. And I thought about the importance of learning our history...

# Tino Reyna says :
15 August, 2007 [ 14:43 ]

By the way, if you have something against my thoughts, email me at tino_rocanrolero@yahoo.es.

# Andres says :
15 August, 2007 [ 14:53 ]

Nobody in Chile -at least not those well informed- denies the origin of the word 'pisco.' The origin of the drink is as Peruvian or Chilean as a Paella, however. The drink takes the name of the then Spanish viceroyalty port through which this beverage sailed to Spain (Pisco). The beverage itself was produced in what later became Chilean and Peruvian sovereign territories, respectively. And I need to note the Chilean part of the equation has always been Chilean land.

And since I love historical analogies, I propose one that should take a bit of research effort instead of lazy prejudices: uisce beatha.

Things aren't always what we are told or what we would like them to be. Facta, non verbala. Facts, not words.

Kind greetings,

# LUCY URBAN says :
15 August, 2007 [ 14:59 ]

For the gentlemans they know better about Peru!! the whinning and cryng about Chile's making you sick or is getting too old to you both, with all my respect, very simple , don't read !!
We are also tired about the Chileans, they took part of our territorie, also claming that the Pisco , ceviche an so on, are they properties??? are we are whining ???????????? nooooooooooo!!!!!!
People think because they visited Peru once or twice, they see the whole picture an have a say in this situation. Yes, corruption excist in
Peru unfortunately, you're not talking about the whole population !!!!! 
Chileans with their arrogance want to take everything if we let them.

Well, have a good one

# xc says :
15 August, 2007 [ 15:42 ]

Andres,

1. Pisco was never exported to Spain, the average Spaniard didn't have a taste for it. It was drunk by sailors passing through the Pisco area.

2. Pisco was not made in Chile and then somehow exported out of the Pisco port 1000s of miles north. It was first concocted in the valleys of Ica, very far from Chile, from the garbage they couldn't make wine out of. Production spread over the years to other areas south and sold at places such as Iquique, then a Peruvian town.

3. When Pisco was first made, Peru DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A BORDER WITH CHILE, its southern border was with the Bolivian coastal region.

# Pelofex says :
15 August, 2007 [ 17:22 ]

I was going to start writing this comment to first straighten some things out with Andres... but then I noticed that CX has done a very good job doing so. Last one thing I would like to add about this Pisco issue... When is people going to understand that what Chileans call pisco is a total different thing?.. a different product.. a result of a totally different process ... I live in California and whenever I go to Los Angeles to buy Pisco, I see the chilean version right next to it on the shelf and it looks totally different. it has something in it that makes it look darker or more opaque..  not clear like Pisco looks... I really wonder why they insist in using the very same name... I wonder how are Chileans going to do to steal our Coca?... that's going to be a tough one... but I am sure they will know how to use it better than us peruvians...

Now, this one goes to Rob Cox, apparently when you lived here in US maybe that alarm systems were not yet invented... cause as far as I can tell, there is a huge industry here that provides security systems... and I am sure 90% of the properties here where I live (Southern California) have an alarm system at home... and further more... I am one of the very few peruvians that live in this area... who is here to blame then??? maybe americans dont trust each other either???...

And this one goes to all of you, Corruption exists in Peru! YES!!! and we are not proud of it... but where it does not???  Please someone tell me where or which goverment is not corrupt??? I really want to know. And just to give you guys an starter.... Why is the Coca ilegal worldwide?...

I look forward to your replay

peloflex

# Rob Cox says :
15 August, 2007 [ 20:59 ]

On Pisco, why the obsession?  Just produce a better product than the Chileans and market it.  France produces great wine, but so does California, Australia, Argentina and yes Chile among others.  If you work hard, have a good government and tax system, market effectively and have quality control then Peruvian Pisco will dominate.  If you don't then sorry it will continue to be Chile.

On the alarms in Southern California I can't comment.  As far as I know that area is overrun with illegal immigrants so it's no surprise that more security is in place.  I grew up in the Northeast and we had no fences in our yards or alarm systems.  In fact we rarely even locked our doors except when going on a vacation.  I've lived in Lima for almost 2 years now and no one can tell me Peruvians aren't ultra paranoid about security. Everyone has an alarm, electric fence, high wall, security guard on the corner, double locks etc.  One guy down the street has bulletproof glass instead of regular windows.

I assume the terrorism from the early 80's is the reason this paranoid attitude has developed, and the lack of trust in the police stopping anything.  I think today it just serves to isolate people and foster distrust in the society.

# Andres says :
15 August, 2007 [ 23:00 ]

Dear xc: Thanks for your post. I appreciate the chance to check facts. I will provide mine and some sources:

1. "Pisco was never exported to Spain."

Of course not. At least not by that name. The 'aguardiente de Ica,' 'licor de Nazca,' 'aguardiente peruano,' 'aguardiente de Huasco' and 'aguardiente de Coquimbo' were some of the names of the brandy exported to Spain from the Viceroyalty of Peru and Kingdom or Captaincy of Chile through the port of Pisco. And regarding Spanish taste for colonial wines and brandy, I suggest checking the statement. There must have been more than one reason for King Philip II to ban American-made wines in 1595 .

2. "Pisco was not made in Chile and then somehow exported out of the Pisco port 1000s of miles north."

Chilean-made brandy exported through the port of Pisco was produced in the valleys of Caldera, Huasco, Ovalle, and Limari, which have always been part of the Chilean territory. Production of wine and spirits in Chile dates back to the late XVI century.

3. "When Pisco was first made, Peru DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A BORDER WITH CHILE, its southern border was with the Bolivian coastal region."

When Pisco was first made, Bolivia didn't even exist. During Spanish colonial rule, Peru's southern border was the Kingdom or Captaincy General of Chile (Recopilacion de leyes de Indias; ley 5a, tit. 15, libro 2).

This, of course, is part of a totally different controversy...

Kind regards, A.

# Andres says :
15 August, 2007 [ 23:15 ]

Dear Pelofex:

I could not agree with you more: Chilean and Peruvian piscos are totally different products. Could anyone compare a nice Peruvian 'acholado' of any brand with the Chilean Horcon Quemado? or a 'puro' Biondi with a moscatel-based Control Reserva? I think not. That's exactly what I enjoy from all piscos, whether Peruvian or Chilean: their difference.

Kind regards.

PS: 'stealing' is such a strong word, by the way.

# Andres says :
15 August, 2007 [ 23:17 ]

I just learned about the earthquake. My heart goes out to all Peruvians, particularly to all those who lost loved ones.

Sincerely, A.

# Simon Walter says :
16 August, 2007 [ 09:59 ]

I've learnt that you can't usually brand people by their nationality. people are reasonable individuals and its only the stupid that fall for all the nationalism encouraged by politicians, media and corporations with an agenda of their own to pursue. Their are plenty of nice people in Chile and plenty fools in Peru, and vice versa.

# Jorge Matos says :
16 August, 2007 [ 21:49 ]

Soy peruano y estoy fuera del pais por mas de una decada.  No cabe duda de que los paises que se rigen por el sistema capitalista son los que mejores ventajas les dan ha sus ciudadanos. Pero el principio fundamental es mantener el acceso a la mayor cantidad de mercados.

En este caso entre Peru y Chile donde juntos sumarian en conjunto un mercado de mas de 40 millones de personas lo cual beneficiaria ha ambos paises.  Con Lo que las oportunidades comerciales se multiplicarian, la posibilidad de proyectos de mayor embargadura se justificarian.  Juntos serian un mercado mucho mas fuerte en el orden internacional.

Sin embargo existen grupos de interes distintos a los nuestros que saben que esta posibilidad de vivir en paz, enharmonia y sobre todo concertando nuestro futuro es posible. Pero que esto para ellos significaria perder sus ventajas comerciales. Es por eso que debemos ser cautos cuando nos aparecen este tipo de problemas que estoy seguro que ningun peruano o chileno con cuatro dedos de frente esta buscando. 

Cuando me gustaria saber que algun dia podamos circular los latino americanos atraves de nuestro continente sin tener que pensar  dos veces que estamos cruzando una frontera.

Jorge Matos
Nota:
Sobre el echo de que tan solo se permitan comentarios en Ingles me parece absurdo cuando el tema involucra Peruanos y Chilenos..

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