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Peru: 500 Thousand Undocumented Peruvians in U.S. could Benefit from TPS

(LIP-ir) -- President of Peru's APRA Parliamentary Cell (CPA), Luis Negreiros Criado, has requested that the Minister of Foreign Affairs, José Antonio García Belaunde, begin the necessary paperwork to request that undocumented Peruvians in the United States be granted Temporary Protected Status (TPS).

The U.S. grants the permit known as the Temporary Protected Status (TPS) to countries that have suffered natural disasters or civil wars. The Temporary Protected Status is valid for one year and can be renewed.

This permit was granted to undocumented immigrants in the U.S. from El Salvador when the earthquake of 2001 struck the country and to Nicaragua when hurricane Mitch devastated parts of the country.

"We are aware that activists in the Peruvian community of Miami, represented by the Peruvian American Political Organization, are attempting to reach a fair agreement that will allow our countrymen to live and work in the United States legally, because of humanitarian reasons, as well as continue supporting their families in their native countries," stated Negreiros.

Negreiros declared that this would help thousands of Peruvians living in the U.S., especially those that are supporting family members in the affected regions. It is estimated that 500 thousand undocumented Peruvians could take advantage of the TPS, if it were granted.

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# Alan says :
27 August, 2007 [ 20:21 ]

What a total joke - 500K peruvians in the US taking advantage of Pisco's misfortune? 

# Julio Caceres says :
28 August, 2007 [ 09:02 ]

I agree. What a shame that activists are using this disgrace to try and get papers for illegal immigrants. They should at least find out who actually has family in Ica and if they are even supporting them. Asking for documents for 500,000 illegal aliens because of an earthquake that affected a few provinces in one or two regions of the country is an unreasonable request.

Unfortunately it is an example of a Peruvian trying to take advantage of a situation. And Yes, I am Peruvian.

This disaster can't even be compared to what happened in Nicaragua.

# Sarah says :
28 August, 2007 [ 17:06 ]

It seems as if even a disaster will not alter some people's mean-spirit or small mindedness.  Whether Peruvians have family living at the epicenter of the earthquake, the entire country's economy will be negatively affected by it.  I am so tired of only people who are xenophobic spouting off about immigration.  If Peruvians, like any other illegal immigrants, are here working in the United States and not committing any crimes other than their entry into the United States, then they should be given an opportunity to do legally so they can maximize whatever assistance they can provide.

# Julio Caceres says :
28 August, 2007 [ 17:45 ]

So the ends justify the means. I disagree. It doesn't have anything to do with a fear or hatred of foreigners Sarah, it has to do with being fair. And it is not fair for someone to "break into" a country and think its ok to be there just because they are not breaking the law. (Presently because they already broke it once)

If the Peruanos that have illegally gone to the U.S. spent half of the energy they spent running from homeland security on finding a job here in Peru, then they would be just fine.

# Roberto says :
28 August, 2007 [ 18:22 ]

Yes , the US should give the TPS to peruvians, thousands were afected because the earthquake, my family lost everything, i the only suport for them, i need the TPS so i can rebuild my city and my family, those other comments were given by people the forgot were they came from shame on them... so call peruvians.... 

# Alan says :
28 August, 2007 [ 19:52 ]

So, you all realize that if TPS is granted that the US embassy is going to virtually stop issuing visas to peruvians, right? 

# americorps says :
28 August, 2007 [ 20:40 ]

While I am against illegal immigration and wish for tighter security, I am very weary to join any anti-illegal immigration movement because of the following.

1. The focus is always on punishing the illegal immigrant and seldom more than lip service to punishing the illegal employer

2. No one discusses the consequnces if the US rids itself of the 12 million illegal immigrants we now have..food going up by 20-40%, housing costs rise, crops will lay in waste, entire sections of our economy will dissapear, causing catostrophic problems.

3. Generally the racists infiltrate the border protection movement..you start seeing Klans and NAZI literature appear, and you start seeing words like invasion.  I do not care if we have common ground for border security, I will NEVER allign with a racist, I consider them on par with child molesters and rapists.

4. There is a lack of fairness or honesty in the movement, you hear of horror stories from illegal immigrants, but you do not hear the other facts..most pay taxes, few break the law (of course other than the illegal immigration itself), most speak English, if not by the first generation, by the second,

WalMart, for example, is the only company in the latter half of the 20th century to be convicted of breaking slavry laws and they suffered a small fine and no one went to prison...even though it was proven that top execs knew they were exploiting illegal immigrants.

5. The US spends more money daily on starbucks coffee than it would take to house every poor person in Latin America...I know many of my fellow Americans are xenophobes, but I feel we need to help keep children from suffering and that is more important than coffee. (of course I am a total hipocrit and drink my starbucks from time to time)

6. Peru just suffered a terrible blow and despite the President's warm fuzzy press releases, this will have a long term severe economic impact and with Chavez/Humala trying to destabilize the Pruvian Government...and we know they are dirty enough to prey on this type of disaster, it is in EVERYONE's best interests, US and Peruvian alike, to keep the economy growing as that directly limits Chavez/Humala influance.

And finally, with the Peruvian work ethic being amung the best in the world, perhaps we Americans can learn a thing or two about working hard.

# Roberto G. says :
29 August, 2007 [ 09:27 ]

Get your facts strait US has a commerce trade with Peru, they won't stop issuing visas.

# Rocio says :
29 August, 2007 [ 17:56 ]

I don't really know what to think. I'm personally tired of always being lump together with illegal immigrants but at the same time i do understand that many come for a better future. Why shouldn't peruvians be given the same protection that salvadorians and nicaraguans, if the gov't gave it to them it shoudl also give it to Peru. If one is to talk about justice then it should be equal to everyone regardless of the amount of immigrants from that country that is in the U.S

# alan says :
29 August, 2007 [ 18:44 ]

Get your facts strait US has a commerce trade with Peru, they won't stop issuing visas.

Huh?  The TLC, which by the way has not been ratified, has nothing to do with tourist visas.  Why would the embassy issue visas if anyone could stay illegally in the united states with a free pass? 

I am not against the poor sap that wants to work, but come on, all of peru is so devestated and impacted by the eathquake that it would be inhumane to deport people back to Peru?  That's just absurd.

# Ronald C says :
29 August, 2007 [ 20:10 ]

It would be great if they approve a TPS for Peru.

# Manny says :
30 August, 2007 [ 00:19 ]

I hope the US Gov. approve the TPS for peruvian. Good Luck to everyone and please don't be mean.

# CAT says :
31 August, 2007 [ 13:59 ]

Peruvians are hard working, if they are here in America and working to have a better future for themselves and famlilies then i say why not!!!
TPS should be granted for the hard working peruvians living her in US as long as they are not commiting any crimes they should be granted TPS. That will help many in the future!!


To those people who are against it should just stop writing thier comments... you guys dont know how it is to live in the U.S. illegally.. more than half the of the people that are here illegally are working their asses off... there's always comments how every latino is the same... but to be hoset they are not!!! you see many latinos outside of stores looking for some kind of work they can do for anybody... but what about those people that are here and were born the US many are bums and try to get the easy way out instead of trying to find work all they do is just ask for money... while others that are here illegally are out in hot sun or cold to find a job!!!  

sure there are the ones that commit crimes and to those they should be sent back to thier countries but not to those who are here to make a better living!!!

Im glad to be Peruvian and i will support my country what ever it takes!!!

# Roberto G. says :
31 August, 2007 [ 15:18 ]

CAT, thank you i feel the same way

arriba Peru........caraj............

# chris says :
31 August, 2007 [ 18:17 ]

Peruvians have the same rights than salvadorians and the people from Nicaragua, Peru is not a safe country any longer because of the earthquake , peruvians should stay in America and help their families back in Peru.
I am strongly agree with the TPS for this country. and of course I dont need to be peruvian to support this idea.

# Manny says :
31 August, 2007 [ 18:21 ]

You'r right CAT, I support you!!! When i was living in Portland, I saw many american people living under the bridge and that's because they want to live like that and ask for money all day long. How is that possible in here in USA? I just don't get it!!! In this country anybody could make money working really hard. So I support TPS for my people, no matter what other people. So be it!!!

# Randall says :
1 September, 2007 [ 08:36 ]

I am an American living in Ft. Lauderdale who know a lot of Peruvians here, some illegal.  They are great people and shame on all of you who are saying so much negative stuff about people whom you have never met.

It's unbelievable that Julio Caceres has no compassion for his own people!

And as for these comments about "deport them because they broke the law...", if thats how we are doing things, then everyone who ever got a speeding ticket here in the U.S. should be deported even if they are a citizen...hey, they broke the law!  I hope you see the stupidity of your argument.    Please donate to the earthquake assistance fund listed at: http://www.consulado-peru.com/

God Bless Peru!

# Julio Caceres says :
1 September, 2007 [ 11:21 ]

I have not read any comments about anyone saying that Peruvians are not great people or hard workers. Peruvians are excellent poeple and hard workers.

That isn't the point. Them breaking into a country or staying longer than permitted is wrong. It has nothing to do with their personality or how hard they work.

more than half the of the people that are here illegally are working their asses off...

Why don't they work their asses off here? Why don't they invest the thousands of dollars it takes to get to Mexico and the thousands of dollars it takes to cross the border in finding a solution here. Why don't they spend all of that time, energy and money finding a solution in Peru?

Once again it has nothing to do with how "nice" they are, it has to do with breaking the law. Is there not a solution that does not involve breaking the law?

you guys dont know how it is to live in the U.S. illegally..

Its obviously hard, considering the fact you are ILLEGAL. If you had bothered to do the necessary paperwork then it wouldn't be so hard.

Why is it ok to be in a country illegally just because you are working? Why shouldn't that person have to do the required paperwork like every other normal person?

By the way... what the heck does getting a speeding ticket have to do with illegally entering a counrty?

# xenia says :
1 September, 2007 [ 13:45 ]

Obviously, Mr Julio Caceres, let tell u something....get a life ASAP!!! I have had the best education in peru studied in roosevelt, part of the highest social status in lima, and not even myself nor any other friends and family have such a stupid way of thinking. You are the typical case of a person who has never had anything and just wants to make fun of the suffering of other people. It is such a shame for you to be called peruvian, and you know what? maybe that is the reason you dont seem to love your country, for being such a selfish and mean person. Please, don't go back to peru, u won't be welcome.

# Julio Caceres says :
1 September, 2007 [ 15:22 ]

Unfortunately, after such a vast and profound education you have not addressed the issue. You have not in any way explained, justified or supported your point of view.

I live in Peru and love the country. I had the pleasure of visiting the United States and returned to Peru when I was supposed to. It was not necessary for me to invade anothers country. Peru has much to offer when you take the time to search its treasures.

P.S. It is not necessary to tell everyone where you "studied" or that you are part of the "highest" social class in the counrtry. The information is irrelevant and frankly no one cares.

It's too bad you feel that your opinion is more valid just because you claim to have studied at a certain school.

# americorps says :
1 September, 2007 [ 15:52 ]

Julio, when people need to work, when they need to feed their children, when they feel like they can not make it up in life, they will find whatever means they need to fill the need, including illegal immigration.  it is unreasonable to sit and judge someone and it is even more unreasonable to expect them to forgo those needs to work to improve their country. 

I do not favor illegal immigration, but will not sit in a position of privelage and decide for them that they are bad people or think I know enough about their life to tell them how to live it.

perhaps you have that magical power, but I do not.  If my kid was hungry, if I could not make it out of poverty, I would do whatever it took.  I suspect you might do the same, but I hope you are never in the position to find out.

# Julio Caceres says :
1 September, 2007 [ 16:17 ]

I have not and would not judge anyone. Once again the issue is not who, what or how the people are, it is that a law is being broken. I have not said and do not think that  they are bad.

I'm sure they are normal people with the same dreams, hopes and aspirations everyone else has.

When something is illegal its very easy to say its incorrect. Its illegal for a reason. There is no magic in stating a fact.

If your kids are hungry and you are in poverty where do you get the thousands of dollars it takes to have someone smuggle you into the U.S.?

Once again, why can't that money be invested in something else? A MYPE perhaps. There are plenty of organizations that help poor people begin businesses with a few soles.

There was a report shown the other day about farmers in Peru's highlands. Farmers that grow maca. Farmers 4,000 m.a.s.l. These farmers, instead of sitting around and complaining about the government or ilegally going to the U.S. got into gear and are now exporting their maca.

C'mon people. Is it really that hard to understand that illegally going to another country is not the ONLY solution?

# rocio says :
1 September, 2007 [ 17:29 ]

I see what Julio is trying to say. But since u seem to be an expert on the subject, tell me Julio what in your point of view would be the best solution for the growing number of illegal immigrants in the U.S? and please write an explicit solution since it appears that u think the problem is not a conundrum.

# Roberto G. says :
1 September, 2007 [ 17:43 ]

Julio Ca.........whatever, you are not american so shut your mouth..., you don't even live and work in USA ,what the hell are you talking about, samething that you don't even know. Write to Alan Garcia he'll fix whatever is driving you crazy.....and YOUR NOT AMERICAN  remember that.
To all peruvians in USA , YES TO THE TPS
YES to the TPS for peruvians

# Manny says :
1 September, 2007 [ 17:59 ]

Good one Rocio!!! Yes Julio give us a solution what to do whit 12.5 millons of illegal workers in US. Probably you can think better than the US. Congressmen and even better than President Bush. By the way where do you work? perhaps you could give some people a good job so they dont need to come to US.
Are you sure all the illegal peruvian came to US crossing Mexican border? and how much do u know about immigration laws? do u know about the current law? Even a Federal Judge can stop a inmigration laws in this country and also can give the green card to those illegal inmmigrants, so they could became to be legal just like that. When you said they didn't do paperwork you are wrong!!! most people did it but the time they have to wait could take longer so the only solution the found is go to US and stay over there and just wait with their family. Petition paperwork take a long time even 15 years at most but most of the time takes between 1 and 10 years, it depends of what category you are. So some poeple don't wanna wait in Peru that time and they decide go to US by any necessary means.
Finally if you have a good position in life why don't use all your energy and time to help you own people? You can do Forums, go and talk in work places and explain them all your points of view. Good luck.

# Katrina.N says :
1 September, 2007 [ 18:58 ]

Julio & Alan especially Julio Caseres when it comes to inocent children &

their well being & to better their future parents will do anything for
 
them.  Their situation in Peru can become so desperate to the point

where they have to leave their country that they love so much to put

their kids first. 'Breaking the law' does not mean a thing at this

point kids come first before any law.  Most of them are not hurting

anyone but 'The Law' which doesn't matter when one is desperate

enough to give their precious babies a better chance in life.

Please guys don't be so hard & show more compassion because this is a

very sensitive subject & if your not suffering it then it's better not to

say anything because it hurts many people who's dignity is suffering
 
from becoming an illegal immigrant for the sake of their family. Don't try

to win the argument just listen & go beyond your thoughts in this
 
matter.

# Ronald C says :
1 September, 2007 [ 19:33 ]

Julio Caceres is the classic stereotype of the selfdeluded
Peruvian that thinks because he got to the U.S. he can
judge others.

He is only envious that other peruvians get the same
privilege.

Thank you for the support of the American People,
and please if you know a Peruvian, let them know
about the news of the TPS, many peruvians that
are in the U.S. don't even have access to a computer.

Thank you,

Best Wishes.

# Cesar A. says :
1 September, 2007 [ 19:50 ]

I'm a undocumented Peruvian in USA from Jul-2000 to Now,every months without lack I send money to my family in Peru and to all the one that needs I help too, and payment my taxes every year.  a TPS will help to many as I to double our incomes and we can help more to our families in the Peru.
Las Remesas que enviamos al Peru son miles de millones de Dolares si no lo creen Averiguen...y son PERMANENTES, asi aliviamos la falta de empleo y damos una vida mas digna a nuestras familias.
Los Indocumentados no somos culpables de que los Residentes legales o Ciudadanos Americanos NO PUEDAN comprarse una casa o no puedan mentenerse en sus trabajos...El hecho de que muchos indocumentados ganen mas que los Residentes legales y ciudadanos, a motivado una serie de celos y envidia que se refleja en muchas de las declaraciones que estos tienen de nosotros poniendo escusas tontas para tratar de  hacernos ver mal ante la sociedad Americana que si trabaja.
Creo que SI ustedes Los LEGALES dejarian de sentirse fijos en USA y serian mejores trabajadores lograrian como mucho de nosotros mantenerse en sus Trabajos.
Los Indocumentados venimos a USA a Trabajar todo el dia, de madrugada,feriados,etc...no venimos desde tan lejos especialmente a quitarte el empleo, creo que el trabajo tu mismo te lo quitas con tu iresponsabilidad y al no tener ganas de avansar.
Este aÑo en Febrero  declare al IRS  US120,000  y con el TLC podria facturar mas... y tambien pude comprarme una Casa mas bonita que la de mis vecinos gringos...Gracias.
Gracias.

# JUAN CARLOS says :
1 September, 2007 [ 20:25 ]

All you guys are practicing the same america hypocresy: obey the law if anybody is watching on you. Alan, Caceres and others: why don't you guys come back to Peru to try top get the some easy job you probably  have in US. I was not amazed if I was caught you like those double faced congressman talking about to obey the law just out of the bathrooms.
So since TPS program's spirit is compassion you are quit far of it and you are most interested to transfer your sick xenophobic ideas about something you really have no anything to do... as we say "actuan como cholos con plata".

# juan carlos says :
1 September, 2007 [ 20:36 ]

Indeed Caceres, we should to invest in a MYPE and then I will ask a carrito sanguchero to Laura, right?. You really don't know how to work in Peru is better shut your keyboard out.
 
For example my buddy ann me work in a fatory mixed of a american, asian, european, african, latino, etc, and any of them  really work so hard and so efficient than us despite we only show the same the skills we use in Peru. That is the classic collateral benefit that makes America great, if you don't understand that, please don't block our way.

# Julio Caceres says :
1 September, 2007 [ 22:11 ]

LOL! Wow, what a response. Since it seems many of you are in an uproar I will take the time to address each of you individually.

Rocio, what a shame you have nothing to contribute. You say you see what I am trying to say yet you do not have an opinion of your own to express, instead you opt for asking me for a solution. Furthermore, you demand an explicit solution.

A good start to solving the problem is being handled here in Peru. Peruvian citizens are being encouraged to formalize their businesses. Everyday there are more programs which help people realize that there are more opportunities here than they think. A change in mentality is beginning to surge. People are beginning to realize that it isn't necessary to risk your life to illegally go to another country. There are thousands of cases of people that have made it out of poverty without illegally going to another country.

Ladies and gentlemen I am not saying that people shouldn't migrate, they can do it, it's great, just don't risk your life doing it illegally. There are other options.

Robert G, I assume you are referring to North American. You are right I am not from the United States... and? What does my nationality have to do with anything? Why do I have to "shut my mouth." I can only express my opinion if I am form the United States? It seems to me you are racist. I am free to express my opinion whether I am Peruvian or North American.

Manny, I am sure Rocio appreciates your support. The U.S. Government seems to be handling the problem just fine. Unfortunately now we have sad stories in which a married man with children in the U.S. gets deported because he does not have the necessary paperwork. He has to leave his family behind because of a rash decision he made 15 years ago. The consequences are worse than if he would have just stayed in his country. Now this man is torn from his family. Why, because he did not bother to do things legally.

The U.S. isn't folding on this issue people, it's only getting worse. What I am saying is that people need to be educated. Don't go to countries illegally. If you have to leave in six months... leave in six months. Workplaces are being vigorously checked for illegal workers. Anyone can be stopped in the street and asked for documentation.

Are we encouraging illegal immigration?

Immigrants are now paying the price for bad decisions. It's reality. There has to be order in the world, people can't just do what they please. Laws have to be respected.  Should all the illegal aliens be given their citizenship? hmmmm? Think of the consequences.

Let's continue Manny, "So some poeple don't wanna wait in Peru that time and they decide go to US by any necessary means." Thank you Manny, this is a good example, they make rash decisions and later have to deal with the justice system. All of our actions have consequences, we can't escape that.

Katrina, you are saying that people can decide when to obey and disobey the law. Where does it stop? "I had to steal food from Metro or Safeway, my children were hungry". Is that what we are teaching future generations? Where are our principles?

Self deluded is two words Ronald. I will repeat for you what I posted in earlier comments. Take the time to read before you attempt to criticize. Peruvians should go and work, just don't put yourself at risk - go legally. You are only jeopardizing yourself and your family if you don't.

You made my point Juan Carlos, many go to the U.S. to look for that "easy job" you are talking about. Explain a "cholo con plata." To my understanding you are using "cholo" in a derogatory manner. Maybe you could clarify your insult.

# vanessa says :
1 September, 2007 [ 22:23 ]

It's a shame to hear that there's people like "julio" out there in this world... Especially beacuse your peruvian and belief that it's unreasonable that these people should receive any type of help.Your most likely judgeing because of your own condition, believe it or not there are people that work two jobs and get paid 2/3 of what you get and on top of that support their families.Think about it being llegalized would not only help us peruvian but also the government since there are taxes that need to be paid.

# Julio Caceres says :
1 September, 2007 [ 22:48 ]

What a shame that there are people in the world that want to use pity to influence others.

# LUCY URBAN says :
1 September, 2007 [ 23:58 ]

If the TPS will help "all" the undecumented Peruvians, but think, all the 500,000 are from Pisco, Chincha? I don't think so, as for Julio Caceres, I think you all don't hear him at all, of course if you are illegal in USA you are going to be against him, it is too bad the everyone is going to be rewarded , not just the persons that really sending the monies to their love ones in that part of the Earthquake, I don't think that's right , there are lots of Peruvians, unfortunately are the embarrasment, not saying that every single Peruano are the same, I know lots of Peruvians there were awiting for there Visas, took a very long time, but happy in USA with no worries, most of you all don't see the whole picture, as for el Sr. that wrote in Spanish, you got the nerve to make fun of the American Citizens, saying you got better house and making more money
WOW , too bad you feel that way, instead you should be greatfull .
If you enter any country you must respect the laws of that particular one, I don't think Peru let any one enter with out a Visa, or if your are a visitor for more than three months you end up paying fees, wich you don't !

Have a good day

# katrina.N . says :
2 September, 2007 [ 03:41 ]

To all those who have left their beloved country because of hardships & are deeply offended by Julio's comments Please don't be you have the rights to make your lives better for you & your families even if it takes being an illegal immigrant you have our full support here in Australia.

Lucy you make no sense & Julio you are a self rightious & hard hearted
 
man people like you will never understand you can argue till you're pink
 
& blue....we are talking about fellow humans!!!  Even politicans who can
 
be the hardest & selfish of all people are granting the TPS because they
 
know these people have just as much rights as any other decent human
 
in the states so stop with your unhelpful reasonings & learn to love
 
people more it's good for your health, you are just making yourself look
 
foolish & arrogant & you're probably a very clever & nice person but
 
your portraying yourself to be the opposite to that, you should be embarressed!

# pgoros says :
2 September, 2007 [ 05:40 ]

Incredible! All these ludicrous pro-TPS and anti-Julio posts only serve to show that the typical peruvian mindset still can't understand the simple logic behind legal vs. illegal. You know what? Work to solve your own problems in your own country, demand standards, demand that people THERE begin obeying their own laws, and not take the easy way out by crossing a border without permission and then moaning about how hard life is afterwards and how your new country's legal system refuses to grant you citizenship after you've broken one of their laws.

As they say, "you've made your bed, now sleep in it"... And to think that all this hoopla started because of a natural disaster, how pathetic that you all now want to take advantage of the TPS, at the expense of people in your own country that are REALLY suffering right now?!?!

I wonder how many of you poor, hard-working (illegal) immigrants actually have family living in the Ica region? This is sooo f*cking typical of the peruvian mindset... to always keep an eye out for an angle where you benefit at whatever cost to others.

Let me finish by reminding you all that the reason why most countries make it difficult for honest, educated, law-abiding peruvians to visit or emmigrate to is because of YOU! How patriotic of you to break the law, thinking you'll end up living the good life somewhere else, screwing the rest of your countrymen in the process, and now crying about your less-than-ideal status... of course right now after an earthquake, when you hope that the world might take pity on you most.

Kudos, Julio, for your logic and for not backing down from your stance.

# Ronald C says :
2 September, 2007 [ 07:39 ]

I am one of the honest, educated, law abiding peruvians and
I personally consider that the only thing that the TPS does
is allow to the rest of the Peruvians to regularize their situation.

And People like Julio in Peru have fully censored and blocked
most information about the TPS.

From the year 2000 to the year 2007, 5 million peruvians have
left the country, the salaries are low as everybody knows.
One friend of mine (Top of his class in High School and College)
earn $ 800 a month for 60 hours of work, the average salary
is $100 per month, that is if you get a job because 50%
of the population is unemployed.

Now the above situation is before the Earthquake, after the
unemployment has jumped to 70%(maybe 80%, I don't have
current numbers).

The TPS is granted based on the above numbers together
with other factors, therefore if the American Government
grants a TPS will be regardless of my opinion (in favor)
or other people opinion (against); and if some illegals
get it, good for them.

# Randall says :
2 September, 2007 [ 11:23 ]

Dear Julio Caceres,

Since you just dont get what everyone is telling you, I will spell it out!

1. You said: "By the way... what the heck does getting a speeding ticket have to do with illegally entering a counrty?" 

It has everything to do with it.  The law is the law and EVERYBODY has to follow it.  Since your argument is that illegals have to leave because
they broke the law, then EVERYONE who broke ANY law, should leave (by your argument).


2. You said: "Robert G, I assume you are referring to North American. You are right I am not from the United States... and? What does my nationality have to do with anything?"

Again, Senor Caceres, you don't get it.  I was born in the U.S. and my family has been here since before our Civil War.  I am a citizen and I have the right to an opinion in this, YOU DONT. YOU ARE NOT AN AMERICAN SO ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS IF WE LIKE PERUVIANS. Why dont you talk down about Peruvians on a street corner in La Victoria in Lima and see what happens.

3. You said: "Manny, I am sure Rocio appreciates your support. The U.S. Government seems to be handling the problem just fine." 

Again Sr. Caceres, you dont know what the hell you are talking
about because you dont live here (in the U.S.) We have an estimated 12 million illegals here and the problem is not being addressed in a positive way.  Only "send them back, they broke the law".
Shall we create a "Gestapo" to round them up?  Idiot!

What we need is an amnesty for the people who are here, and find a
comprehensive way to address immigration in the future.

Got it now?

# Angela says :
2 September, 2007 [ 11:32 ]

Dear Julio,

Read carefully my boyfriends comments (Randall)!

First, you can't generalize about every immigrant because each has their own special situation. 

Second, I had to leave Lima because I did not feel safe anymore in my own country.  I was assaulted twice with pistols, robbed in my home and Sendero Luminoso (do you have any idea who they are?) tried to kidnap my kid. For that reason, our family had bodyguards for many years.  I was legal here in the U.S. with a business visa that could not be renewed after 9/11. I had made a life here where I am much more safe than in Lima and I am grateful to the U.S. for giving me an opportunity to make a living.  I love the U.S. and dont want to return to Peru. I don't care about status here.  I pay my taxes and work hard.  Why do you want to have me sent back to be unemployed, robbed and maybe killed?

# rocio says :
2 September, 2007 [ 11:49 ]

Well said Randall!!! Maybe now Mr. Julio can understand why people get so heated at his point of view. Illegal immigration is a huge problem in the U.S and needs a solution. Also let me address this statement "Rocio, what a shame you have nothing to contribute." As a matter of fact I did contribute, I just merely pointed out a problem to which you have no knowledge or solution. As for my point of view there should be a law that helps people who have worked so hard for so long, they deserved. I'm a legal immigrant in the U.S thus I can see both worlds. I go back to Peru to see that every year it gets worse and worse. The richer get richer and the poorer get poorer, and I also see the illegal immigrant working 12 or more hours a day for a few dollars. You probably have not been here that long to see the actual problem or at least get a glimpse at the reality millions of people are facing.

# Manny says :
2 September, 2007 [ 13:57 ]

hahaha.. you don't even answer any of my 5 questions? you better read about immigration laws. Improved yourself. By the way Im legal in US and I also know a lot of people who live and work really hard in here.
Don't try to be sarcastic!!! and tell me how many sad stories do you know? because you know just one, it doesn't give the right to speak for the rest of people. So explain what to do with the 12.5 millons. Do you think they should go back to their home countries? and what about with their family? You said all because the didn't do the right decision 15 years ago!!! You are pathetic!!! read man, reaaaaaaaad!!!
For me this forum is pointless, so this is it. Good luck to everyone and don't try to argue with this "hater man" he is one of that kind of people they think they owner the absolute truth!!! So don't even bother to try to make you point. Some people are brainless. So be it.

# americorps says :
2 September, 2007 [ 14:49 ]

# Manny says :
2 September, 2007 [ 13:57 ]

So don't even bother to try to make you point. Some people are brainless. So be it.

*************************


Pot, Kettle, Black

# LUCY URBAN says :
2 September, 2007 [ 21:04 ]

Most people acting like children's calling names to one person, as for Kathrina N. yes , I know what I'm talking about , you are leaving where? oh yes , Australia, actually you don't know anything about leaving in USA, most of you are attacking verbally to one person, just because he does have a different view? am guess does goes for me too, oh well, yes, we have too many illegals leaving in California, over 12 millions , you'll like to have that many Illegal Inmigrants in Peru, not paying taxes, abusing the System, Water shortage, Health Insurance ,Hospitals closing down, ect, ect do you all think this is the right think to do? am not talking only about Peruvians, is in general , I'am sympathize we the poor people,  but that doesn't mean you must invade other country, an enter Illegaly .

You all have a nice day

# jose says :
2 September, 2007 [ 21:37 ]

Amen Julio Caceres! I can't believe no one has applauded this man for having morals and values!
everyone else..why dont you hold your own country responsible for your problems???? bitch to your own country and your own people before you bitch to mine! be grateful for what you have received and give it back to the poor peruvians in the mountains who don't even have water to drink!!! stop buying dvd players and acting so self righteous. from my experience in peru, those that REALLY need the help are in the same position. IF YOU WORKED HALF AS HARD IN YOUR COUNTRY AS YOU DID TRYING TO GET THE HELL OUT OF IT....YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO FEEL PROUD

*SR CESAR learn english or dont be so embarassed to write what you said in english...pelele.

# katrina says :
2 September, 2007 [ 23:37 ]

Lucy i appologize for saying that i don't understand a word you are saying I read what you wrote carefully again & i got the message didn't mean to offend you it's not easy to learn a new language let alone write it perfectly so I'm sorry about this you done well. 

I also want to say that I have lived in the States for a long time but eventually missed home & returned back to OZ but the point is I do know how it's like to live in the USA & I have seen a lot of discrimination against the hespanics & blacks there & yet they spice up the country which is what I loved about the States.

Getting back to the subject of illegal immigrants, I just want to ask you a few things, just to understand you & everyone else that thinks like you, & it's not to argue with you I'm honestly interested to know coz it's not in my nature to think the way you do.

Lucy is your life that horrible in the US because of the 'invasion' as you call it is it torture to you personally, because you say to me 'you don't know how it's like to live in the USA' as if to say that you are so miserable there because of the illegal immigrants, well that's the impression I got. Do you have friends that are illegal I'm sure you've met some lovely people & you've become quite friendly with them, do they know how you feel & do you tell them that they are invaders?  How would they feel if they had knowledge of your thoughts about them? Are most of them law abiding & hard working people?  They have broken the law they are illegal immigrants.  Do you feel that all the 12,000,000 men women & children in Cali have got to be kicked out of theStates & return to poverty? Do they not deserve like you & your family a good life in a more afluent country for them & their children?  Can't there be exceptions? Lucy you don't feel they are lesser humans than you don't you?   Please tell me you don't. 

With respect

Katrina

# americorps says :
3 September, 2007 [ 07:09 ]

Lucy,

I am dissapointed you use suppositions and partial truths as though they are the facts.

1. There are an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the USA as a whole, not 12 million in California alone.

2. Most illegal immigrants, according to our own GAO (Government Accounting Office) pay taxes

3. Abusing the system..what does that mean...if it means public assistance, the rates are acutally also lower than the pundints suggest.

4. Hospitals are not closing because of illegal immigrants and again I point to GAO studies that suggest it is more due to the nature of rising health costs and uninsured Americans, illegal immigrants are a drop in the bucket to the woes of American health care.

5. How exactly do you blame illegal immigrants for a water shortage?

6. The word invade is a term that is patently racist, there is no invastion, no one is trying to take over the USA and destroy our way of life, quite the opposite, they are trying to join our system, they come for a love of what our country has to offer.

7. Again, I have to ask why there is so much whining by my fellow Americans about illegal immigrants yet neary a word about the thousand of illegal corporations and executives and entities that profit off them.

8. If we get rid of the 12 million illegal immigrants, who is going to farm our fields? Are you prepared to pay 5 or 6 dollars for a gallon of milk, or pay 20-30% more for your food, 10-15% more for housing or the other costs that will rise dramitically....or are you prepared to pay more taxes to help the millions of Americans who will be out of work when their illegal immigrant customers go away...or the farmers who will loose their farms because their crops are rotting in a field due to lack of help in harvesting them?

I am dissapointed that so many of my fellow Americans are too shallow t see the whole picture.

I am against illegal immigration, and I am in favor of border security (thought it is not lost on me that not a single 9-11 hijacker entered through Mexico) but I am also not going to use racist rhetoric and fake facts to impress my point.  Further, I am not so dense that I think the answer as simple as just getting rid of them, knowing if we do that will leave my country in chaos and provide severe economica instability for decades to come.  Finally, it is not lost on me that we spend more money on starbucks coffee every day than it would take to help feed all the poor children in Latin America. 

I will reiterate, becuase I find this to be the wost of my country...whenever thid debate rises we have to find words like invasion.  I am ashamed of any American and I apologize on behalf of my country for the minority, albiet very vocal group of citizens that seem to not be able to avoid racist rhetoric in discussing this issue, please know that while most Americans are not in favor of illegal immigration, MOST of us deplore the rhetoric that the racists opportunist are injecting into this debate, it is not a reflection of my country as a whole.

# vanessa says :
3 September, 2007 [ 11:11 ]

manny, i agree with you.Some people are just brainless and dont have the abillity to understand the reason why 12.5 million people had left their homes and even their love ones in order to succeed and give them a better life. It's a missfortune that life sometimes gives more to those who dont deserve it. For MR. Julio and Jose i wonder if you guys grew up in an unloving family beacuse so far that's the only explanation i can posssibly come up with for your arrogant and selfish opinnions.Good luck with that mind of yours...

# LUCY URBAN says :
3 September, 2007 [ 13:22 ]

Kathrina, no, my live is an anyway horrible, also Americorps, you don't have to appolagized on my behalf, every time American Citizens complaint about the Illegals, or call Invasion of Illegals, is because they enter in mass with no papers that show they paid there dues , you called it Racism, which is not, we're talking about breaking the law here, so don't twisted what I was saying?  yes, the 12 millions of Illegals are living all over USA, by most are living in Cal, as far as a respect for others imput on this "Subject ", you all had none, the few that we are not sharing your views, we're wrong ! Kathrina, also with all the respect that you deserved, I never said anything about no one can 
enter USA, but as long they enter legally, as I said before, I wasn't talking about every single Illegal inmigrant are the same, nor I was talking only about Peruvians. As most of you call us 'brainless" to the few not sharing your ideas, an acting whith no maturity, by the way I haven called you names, as I do treat everyone with respect .





  

# Jaime says :
3 September, 2007 [ 13:43 ]

Julio Caceres: What can you say of the hundreds of thousands of Peruvians that have Political Assylum because of the Shining Path's (Sendero Luminoso) persecution????

You are complaining about Breaking the Law. If we are to compare them with those that might benefit from receiving the TPS now, those people used the death of more than 70.000 people to justify their legal status here.

Have you ever done the math of the amount of money 500.000 Peruvians living in the US will inject into the Peruvian Economy? YOUR ECONOMY? Even bigots like you will benefit from our work here. More now that the TLC looks like a reality.

Don't talk wit you liver, talk with your brain.

Jaime

# Americorps says :
3 September, 2007 [ 14:33 ]

Lucy, I have lived in Both San Diego, California and Austin, Texas.  I have tutored migrant farm workers in Kansas and Texas and I have worked on immunization projects for the border and I was "married" to an asylee from Mexico and I know more about immigration, legal and illegal, than you will ever read from your rush limbaugh approved website.

For example, I know the first people to refer to illegal immigration in the press as "invasion" was the freedom foundation that also funds much of the vigelante border patrol called the Minutemen.  It took no time to find out that besides funding the Minutemen, they also fund Eugenics...for those who do not know, that is the scientific study Hitler used to try and "prove" Jewish people were inferior.  Nice company Lucy.  Yes, the word invasion is racist.

Further, every time there are Minutemen meetings, there is a rash of NAZI and KKK literature that surrounds it and oft soundbites distributed to local media are, word for word, found on NAZI and KKK websites.

And still, Lucy, not a word about Walmart, the only corporation in the latter half of the 20th century to be found guilty of slavery because of abuse of illegal immigrants...why is that?  Why do you repeated call the illegal immigrants lawbreakers but neary a word about all our fellow Americans who continue to profit and utilize these workers?....the ones who create the opportunities for parents who want their children to have a better future?  Who is a bigger criminal?

And is there any particular reason you do not address any of the issues that are DIRECTLY connected to eliminating illegal immigration that will cause terrible distress to our country?

Or why do you not correct yourself when using facts that come...again I gotta worry about the company you keep, NAZI and KKK websites that skew statistics about criminal activity, medical costs, tax information and entitlements and illegal immigrants?  There are legitimate statistics and rhetoric, but why use the fake ones?

I would think, as an American, you would have a profound need for the truth and as an American, you would distance yourself from such unpatriotic and unethical and hateful rhetoric. 

Yes, I do feel the need to apologize for my fellow Americans becuase so many of them feel free to quote these false sound bites that originated by the KKK and Nazis without ever once checking to find the facts or the source...or repeating soundites from people who idolize Hitler.

For me, I can not and will never accept that as ok in my America.  It will always be a shame as long as it exists in my America...

And, by the way, California has a lower percentage of illegal immigrants than 14 other states, according to the US Census Bureau estimates, but the California Independent Party, the registered white supremecist political party, claims more like you do...

I am NOT, and I repeat this emphatically, NOT saying you are racist, but I am saying you are regurgitating things they have said that are not true, and it is UNIMPORTANT to me that you join them by choice or by ignorance, joining them is intolerable as it gives them legitimacy and power.

Lucy, there are very legitimate reasons to secure our borders and to stop the tide of illegal immigration, but in America, we need to do it above reproach and with liberty and justice for all.  If we continue to use fake facts, racist rhetoric and ignore the supremecist over-tones, then I see little that separates us from terrorists.

Clear?

# vanessa says :
3 September, 2007 [ 18:31 ]

wow julio and some of his buddys that share their same point of view keep mentioning how these illigal immigrants have broken the "law" and for that they dont deserve a TPS please be reasonable and dont judje unless you are in one's position. If you belong to the upper class in peru than good for you but that's because every year the rich keeps getting richer and the poor gets poorer.. unfortunally it takes a whole nation to change our government, there's corrupted people that handle our country. Laws are broken daily and the economy does not benefit those who really need it. Ive been in the U.S for the past ten years and i know from my own experience how hard life can be in peru and just like everyone else i have dreams that made me leave my country for a better future and achieve a higher education so when expressing your selfish opinion keep in mind that your comments offends all of us, who are waitting for change...

# LUCY URBAN says :
3 September, 2007 [ 19:52 ]

No matter what I say, am still wrong, so why do I have to try hard to get my point across ? you all talking about the same subject , racism , which is not the problem here . Guess you all got tired to complaint about Julio, now is my turn, oh boy ! by the way Americorps, I too have lived in other State,  what this has to do with this subject at all ? CLEAR ? what do you think , you're talking to a child ? if you do not know how to take it like a gentleman , well is up to you, No one is going to make you change your mine or the others , nor mine, so attacking is not the answer, clear????

# Diego says :
3 September, 2007 [ 20:33 ]

Yes, Mr Caceres. Stop offending us. I'm like Vanessa. I came to this country more than 10 years ago. Now I am waiting for a miracle. Maybe the TPS is my miracle.

# Alan says :
4 September, 2007 [ 07:02 ]

If TPS does happen, which I strongly doubt, really, the embassy is going to cut off new visas just like they did in El Salvador.

# Victor says :
4 September, 2007 [ 10:40 ]

TPS is a REAL thing, we will see the results the next following days.

I am a ILLEGAL inmigrant as well. I not proud of being it But I take responsability for it,

A week ago a talked to my wife about buying our airflight tickets back to Peru, we were so sad because of leaving our friends and our jobs after 5 years of living in america, when we decided to do this we were so secure and strongs like never before , my wife was looking for the inhalambric telephone to call to the travel agency for the tickets ,meanwhile I was praying inside me to my God to give me a sign to not to buy the tickets. When she gave me the phone I sat down in the couch and then suddenly I heard in Telemundo NEWS. " TPS for Peru" and that the petition was presented by the Cancilier. That was unbelivable I took it like the sign that GOD gives me to stay in america and wait for this way of legalization.

Then I was trying to explain this, and I didnt find any explanation. I just have to believe that there is  A GOD and if He decides for us there is nothing that we can do abouit IT>

Hopelly this TPS will be granted for all my people, I know wath is to live in the shadows and I dont want that anymore for anybody.

Thanks for all the people who support this TPS program . We need to keep helping the economy in our country , this is not a good moment to go back to peru. This is good moment to STAY IN AMERICA.

Thanks America for helping Peruvians !!!!

Vitor de Olarte

# Ronald C says :
4 September, 2007 [ 11:39 ]

Go to Univision, there is a huge forum called Sera Posible where
they give support for all the people's questions about TPS.

Godspeed.

# Ekeko says :
4 September, 2007 [ 12:56 ]

I think that we are wasting too much time writing about illegal immigration, a very complex, divisive and emotional subject.

The subject here is TPS. Let’s not lose sight of the real issue. The fact is that there are millions of foreigners with not a clear immigration status in the USA. Now there is a possibility that Peruvians can get a TPS status. It may, very well, that the US government will grant this status to Peruvians. The very same argument used to grant this status to Hondurans, Guatemalans and others could be applied to Peruvians. I really hope this happen. It is going to be a very good thing for many of our fellow Peruvians currently out of status. Why do some people get annoyed, or nervous, that this may actually happen? I don’t really get it. Good luck and let’s hope for the best.

# Victor says :
4 September, 2007 [ 13:37 ]

for all peruvians and american spanish speaking friends go to this huge forum:
Haga click abajo: y tambien deje sus comentarios

http://foro.univision.com/univision/board/
message?board.id=visas&message.id=3689&
view=by_date_ascending&page=56


Arriba el TPS

# Elena says :
4 September, 2007 [ 14:19 ]

I am appalled by the comments I have been reading protesting the protected status TPS program. Why are some groups of Peruvians so mean-spirited? Wouldn’t you be happy if every Peruvian living in the US could walk with their head up high and be counted as a “legal resident” of the US?  If they broke the law and stayed on after their visas expired, or if they crossed the border they probably did so out of desperation and fear: 1)    Fear of terrorism, come on guys, did you already forget about Sendero??

2)      Fear their children would be born in a country with limited economic resources

3)      Fear of poverty

  Etcetera, etcetera Please, don’t tell ME that you guys HAVE NEVER BROKEN A LAW? I am SURE you guys have paid a policeman when he stopped you on a street; I am sure maybe you conveniently forgot to include some income in your tax return.   Besides, the TPS just means that the country in question CANNOT absorb the return of all these folks.    Isn’t that the case now? I am Peruvian and proud of it, and I want to see the day where all Peruvians in the US can be counted, be able to vote, and walk with their heads up high. Please wake up and stop being such haters!!!! 

When the same thing happened in El Salvador, people rallied together, they didn’t attack each other. Please, let’s be civil, let’s show the world Peruvians are a strong, united, and civilized group.

# Naxi says :
4 September, 2007 [ 14:26 ]

TO Julio, dude!!! chill, what is with you, i think you are just jealous because you are not here and about to get benefit from the TPS, or maybe you are just crying because if peruvians do get the TPS, you wont get your visa, so come on tell us which one is it??? I dont see any other reason for you opposing the TPS since it is just gonna be given for those born or that have lived in the damaged areas.

# Ekeko says :
4 September, 2007 [ 14:33 ]

These are current statistics:

Table 1. Countries Whose Nationals in the United States Benefit from Temporary Protected Status

Country Status Dates

Estimated numbers :

Burundi TPS November 4, 1997 - November 2, 2006 30

El Salvador TPS March 2, 2001 - September 9, 2006 248,282

Honduras TPS December 30, 1998 - July 5, 2006 81,875

Liberia TPS March 27, 1991 - October 1, 2006 3,792

Nicaragua TPS December 30, 1998 - July 5, 2006 4,309

Somalia TPS September 16, 1991 - September 17, 2006 324

Sudan TPS November 4, 1997 - November 2, 2007 648

# Julio Caceres says :
4 September, 2007 [ 15:57 ]

http://www.livinginperu.com/news-4629-politics-
u.s.-president-bush---perus-president-garcia-to-
discuss-permit-for-undocumented-peruvians-in-the-u.s.

# souza says :
5 September, 2007 [ 16:00 ]

Who does want to live in one of the most violent , boring and kidnapping countries of the world , the United States.

2,500 people are kidnapped daily in U.S.A.

Most peruvian inmigrants have a house , job and a wife or husbund , and they yet want to go to the U.S.  to wash plates , moping floors , being harrased as criminals por being ilegals and being treated like crap.

# Randall says :
5 September, 2007 [ 18:46 ]

"Kidnapping country?"  Wow souza, where did you get that idea from?
What is your source that says 2500 people are kidnapped in the U.S. each year?  I have heard that a lot of kids are "kidnapped" - if you want to call it that - by fathers who are fighting with the mom over custody in a divorce...but thats not the same as a violent kidnapping...

I'm not saying that the U.S. is perfect and I am happy that you are patriotic/proud about Peru - as well you should be....but lets be accurate.

I do agree with you that many illegals here are not treated right.  There are prejudices everywhere...are the Indians always treated well in Peru?

# Willy Palomino says :
5 September, 2007 [ 18:53 ]

The worst enemy of a peruvian is another one.
Why people keep posting comments like "500k peruvians will take advantage from the TPS or only for those who have family in the affected cities"?
"Advantage" is a selfish comment from those especially peruvians. Maybe they just got here first! I am an illegal peruvian citizen living in U.S. and the TPS would come in very handy.
How ridiculous is try to check us if we have family in the affected cities and make sure we support them,... please!
Wheter there was an earthquake or not Peru is in crisis. 
More than 90% of peruvinas that  live in U.S. are not here because  they love to be far from those they love.
Peru unmenployment is around 56%, do you know what it means?
Most of illegal people do the  bottom jobs and the pay is just not worthy.
TPS for all peruvians will be more than wellcome if some people don't like it ... who cares?

# Willy Palomino says :
5 September, 2007 [ 19:00 ]

JULIO CACERES YOU SHOULD BURN IN HELL

# Angela says :
5 September, 2007 [ 21:18 ]

Souza,

Are you trying to say that is better to live in Peru than in the USA? pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
Perhaps you have never met a professional like me that came here looking for a better future & a safe place to live in. Do you know how many successful Peruvian professionals live here that never needed to wash dishes or mop floors? And you know why? Coz WE got BRAINS!!!!!
Have you ever heard that in the Sales Industry, once they know you are Peruvian, they immediately hire you?
I'm very proud to be a Peruvian and very happy to live and work in the USA ....I feel so embarrassed when I have to read comments of ignorants like you......and JULIO CACERES!

# Alejandro SF says :
7 September, 2007 [ 11:37 ]

This is for you Julio Caceres!
I'm so Sorry men, for have some fun with your wife...but you dont' have to generalist to every undocument your feelins about me.
You Know me, I'm ILEGAL you know,pero te prometo que no lo vuelvo hacer mas con tu mujer...ella es la que me busca, por que dice que pasas mucho tiempo con la computadora escribiendo estupideces y que ella necesita la atencion que yo le doy...too Much BOOM BOOM!!!
She is HOT!!!!
Your friend Ilegal.
TPS FOR ALL PERUVIANS, CARAJO!!!!

# Jaime SF says :
7 September, 2007 [ 12:05 ]

LOL! Good one Alejandro. Your right Julio's wife is hot.

I remember when you went out to be with her because when you left that's when I was with your wife!! hahaha. She told me she needed the citizenship you couldn't give her.

Your friend the legal

¡Que viva el Peru!

# peloflex says :
7 September, 2007 [ 16:18 ]

To all,

I have just found out about this thread a few minutes ago.... what a bunch of mixed feelings I must say... I will do my best to describe all of these feelings as they were showing up.

First of all, I've got so confused after reading up on Julio Caceres's very first posted comment (he later changed many times his original point of view) but I had and still have a very though time trying to understand his reasoning... if there is any.

The big question in my head is "HOW WOULD THE SO CALLED TPS AFFECT YOU JULIO"???  Im sure you have an old friend from high school that has been here in the US as ilegal that you dont see in a decade... maybe he was your best friend and you will get to see him or her.... maybe he or she will bring you a t-shirt?.... come on man! think possitive!

For all your rest of insanity, the best I can tell you is "you have no clue of what's going on in here" ESTAS EL LA YECA, HERMANO! we dont run away from homeland security here... we pay high taxes, WE DIDN'T COME HERE TO INVADE... we support the US economy and I dont want to sound presumptous about my particular situation here, all I can tell you since you keep asking why did we leave our Peru? and why didnt we stay there?... Im just going to be very brief. I came here running away from the terrorist attacks of the shinning path, by then I was working as a field technician for a mining co. My job was considered to be a high end and well paid. I was making, believe it or not US$ 180.00 a month and I found my life was put at stage MANY times, since my job required me to do extensive traveling to the mining sites. I hope after reading up on this, you dont blame me for having to make the move and leave my beautiful country, family and friends.

Now, for me to do it the legal way and obey the law and do my paperwork. as you suggested... after 15 years that I have lived here... maybe I coudl be receiving my green card right now, If ever...

I think you should get the hint from all the people that is trying to open up your eyes and apologize for your words and thoughts. that would be the most honest thing to do.

Respectfuly,

peloflex

# peloflex says :
7 September, 2007 [ 17:09 ]

this one goes to PGOROS and LUCY URBAN,

Do you really want to learn the meaning of the word "invasion"???

look what the US has done and keeps doing in Irak... Lucy, you pretend to say that there are less and less hospitals and the services are getting affected by the illegal immigrants???? HA HA HA! you are so naive... do you have any idea how many billions of dollars is this NONSENSE costing to this country????

I totally back up AMERICORPS! you should learn so much of people like him.

STOP BEING GREEDY! ...

PGOROS, please explain this to me, how come if illegals are soooo bad and wrong... how come the US goverment was offering green cards to recruit new soldiers (illegals) to keep feeding the Army... this is the worst and most shameful example of how we the immigrants do the jobs that you guys refuse to do.

If the US would start sharing all of its power with the rest of the world, by stablishing more free trade agreements (FAIR ONES!) everyone would rather stay in their own country.... cause the wealth in the world would be more evenly distributed. I will never understand what good does it do for the US economy to have a fleet of billion heavy machinery units just sitting there for months and months filling parking lots.... when instead they could loan that machinery to third world countries to bring progress and growth... why not using those aircraft carriers that now are used to bring death to Irak to carry that machinery instead?.... Imagine how the world would love your country?.... imagine the billions of dollars that this country would save in homeland security ???

Maybe you guys could own a beautiful vacation property in the Sechura desert.... which of course wouldnt be a desert no more....

We have in our planet, PLENTY OF LAND!!!  we just need to get rid of the greed that rottens our lifes.

Peace out everyone!

peloflex

# Fano Caceres says :
8 September, 2007 [ 16:56 ]

The cool thing about this "virtual world" is that we all can express opinions and agree/disagree anytime.

Julio Caceres (no relation, although my Dad's name is Julio as well) has an opinion anf if you all agree/disagree so be it. 

TPS can be a temporary answer but is not a solution.  Look at the Liberians.  Their TPS status  will expire soon and because of the current estability and democracy in that nation many will have to be deported "legally."  

I went back to Peru to work and my tourist VISA expired in 12 months  I had to leave the country to get it renew. Not easy to get work Visas in Peru, did you know that?.  My father is Peruvian and I still did not have a chance.  I was forced to return home.  

I am glad my father came to the USA if I would ve been born there I would ve never had the same opportunities I enjoy here.

By the way, Thanks for your opinions you all have my respects.

Que Viva El Peru!!

# LUCY URBAN says :
8 September, 2007 [ 17:06 ]

You can talk all you want, call names, ect, ect, why is the reason you all get so upset at us , because we don't share your ideas ? an for peloflex, Yes is planty of land, all over the world !! by the way am not a greedy person nor "rotting" your life an anyway, you don't like to hear the real true. For the "gentlemans" talking about Julio's wife, how low  could you guys go ?? is this is the way you are acting when you don't get your "way"? you are showing your true colors, incredible ! 

# peloflex says :
8 September, 2007 [ 18:58 ]

Lucy,

I have just told you the real truth, I have just given you the real reason why there is shortage in hospitals and services.... and apparently you have just ignored what I said.... how convenient!

And no, I have never accused you of being greedy; what I said and I insist once again is that you came in here to give an opinion which I consider to be completely away from being true. Before I was able to go through the legalization process just a few years back, I was already paying between 26 to 30 thousand a year in taxes..!!! how can that affect the US economy??? I dont get it... that amount is what many legal people make here in a whole year. So go back to wherever you are getting your numbers and straighten yourself up. dont speak out of emmotions. speak with the truth!

And one last thing, we are here talking specificaly about peruvian immigrants... and we are definitely not 12 millions.

flex

# LUCY URBAN says :
9 September, 2007 [ 12:48 ]

I was an I'm still talking about all illegals in general! I never say we have 12millions of illegals peruvians an any way , I know what am talking about, since you're an expert on Inmigration status an all the related subject, am sure you'll be helping the ones in trouble with Inmigration, also that is the main reason too many people are dying trying to cross the borders, not only Mexicans, but also from different countries, am sure you know this statistics about how many already die, am assumed,
if this poor people who die would it had the permit to enter the USA nothing like this could ever happened to them, it is so unfortunately .

Fano Caceres,  is a gentleman that respect the opinions of others, with out insulting anyone. 
 

# Claudia says :
12 September, 2007 [ 21:48 ]

It's a joke to say that Peruvians should stay in Peru, and spend their energy on finding a job there, when we know it's almost impossible to do so. And, if you do find one, you get paid how much? $100 a month?

Personally I think that the TPS itself is a "funny" law, but if it's there and some people can use it to regularize their situation...why not use it?

# americorps says :
13 September, 2007 [ 06:53 ]

I generally find the strongest anti-immigrant activist live a life of privelage and do not worry about feeding their children.

The wealthy elite looking down on the poor and judging their lives has never set well with me.

# pgoros says :
13 September, 2007 [ 18:20 ]

Peloflex, why is it that you and many of the others defend the granting of a TPS by running around in circles instead of just admitting one simple fact: if someone is illegally living in another country, is it breaking the law or not? That's the ONLY point I'm trying to make. Where do military issues suddenly come into play?

To be honest I don't give a s*** what Americans do about the TPS, whether they recruit illegal citizens as soldiers, whatever. I'm not American and glad not to be. But that's neither here nor there, the one and only question I have (and which you and others don't want to answer with a 'yes' or 'no') is: is it against the law to live in a country illegally?

Yes, I understand that some ran away from the terrorists; yes I understand that some left to find better job opportunities; yes I understand that some left to live in a safer environment. But that doesn't make an illegal act into a legal one.

Several years ago, I had my driver's license suspended because I didn't pay my speeding tickets. One night, a friend wanted to drive his drunk self home from a bar. The idiot didn't want to take a taxi or bus, he insisted that his car went home with him. So, I took a chance and drove him home, but on the way I got pulled over by a spot check and they nailed me for not having a driver's license. I went to court to explain that my logic at the time was it was better to drive sober without a license that to have a drunk risking his life and others' behind the wheel. The judge said "the law's the law... $5000 fine". To make matters worse, I got a black mark on my driving record and ended up paying $3000 or more for insurance every year for the next 5 years instead of $400 like I used to.

Even though I thought I had good reasons for my actions, the bottom line was what I did was wrong, and I paid for it. Get it?

# Julio Caceres says :
13 September, 2007 [ 18:32 ]

It's a pleasure to read your comment pgoros. Very clear and to the point. Excellent example. You are absoulutely right, that is the bottom line. Everyone is crying and moaning about their oh so difficult situation and the poor illegal immigrants... But, like you said, IGNORING the point.

# Ekeko says :
13 September, 2007 [ 19:22 ]

Pgoros and Caceres are both wrong. The subject here is not illegal immigration. The subject is whether will TPS be granted to Peruvians or not.
TPS, as it has been well put by someone else, is a funny law. Does not make much sense to me. But even that is not the point. The point is than Peruvians could end up getting it.
I wish TPS is granted to all Peruvians living in the US.
People that want to rant about Illegal immigration should go and find more appropriate venues. This is not it.
To Pgoros and Caceres I advice to go, read and donate money to hate anti-immigration sites like: www.steinreport.com you will enjoy the reading there.

# Ekeko says :
13 September, 2007 [ 19:23 ]

Pgoros and Caceres are both wrong. The subject here is not illegal immigration. The subject is whether will TPS be granted to Peruvians or not.
TPS, as it has been well put by someone else, is a funny law. Does not make much sense to me. But even that is not the point. The point is than Peruvians could end up getting it.
I wish TPS is granted to all Peruvians living in the US.
People that want to rant about Illegal immigration should go and find more appropriate venues. This is not it.
To Pgoros and Caceres I advice to go, read and donate money to hate anti-immigration sites like: www.steinreport.com you will enjoy the reading there.

# Fano Caceres says :
13 September, 2007 [ 23:46 ]

Pgors..great example.. Sooner or later we pay for our actions.  Breal the law and consequences follow.  In Virtual Environments like this ones  we will always find people who try very hard to make a point but do no try to understand others.  You and my "tio" Julio are right so as the other participants... our perspectives are different.

Thanks for making this forum alive

# pgoros says :
14 September, 2007 [ 07:16 ]

Ekeko, you still miss the point, probably because you can't be objective nor can you accept an objective viewpoint if it doesn't jive with your own.

The subject here IS illegal immigration. The article deals with the possible granting of this to who? Illegal immigrants, that's who? I ask again, is being an illegal immigrant breaking the law or not? Answer with a simple 'yes' or 'no' please.

As for your cute reference to the hate site (a common response from someone who doesn't have a leg to stand on over the actual issue), my wife is peruvian with strong black and asian physical characteristics. Do you think I married her so that I'd have a reason to stroll around the house in a white cape and hood? Puhleeze, get off your silly racism or anti-immigration stance, you just end up looking foolish. I'm not racist nor anti-immigration (except for the illegal kind, which I do oppose thank you very much)!

Someone above (americorps and some others?) defended illegal immigration by suggesting that if all those people were deported, the American economy would sink. Instead of nodding your head in agreement just because it provides an excuse, how about we consider all the students who can't find part-time jobs and those on welfare who sit on their butts claiming there's no work anywhere for them. How many legal US citizens fall in this group (students/welfare bums) versus the number of illegal immigrants working for minimum wage under the table??? I'm sure the economy would work itself out quite well actually, maybe the average citizen would also pay less taxes to support unemployment as a result.

To finish off, allow me to give you one more experience I had recently, not as an example of my "you screw up, you pay" stance, but rather why I think you guys never want to accept something that's clearly a black and white issue:

I went to polvos azules to buy a 4gb memory card for my camera. When I found one, I asked the seller to write on the receipt that the card was not a fake, and that if I checked up on it and found that it was actually a fake, I could bring it back no questions asked. He agreed and mentioned that his store gives a 3-month money back guarantee for defective stuff. Great!

When I got home, I put the card in the camera. It worked, but slower than I expected, and definitely didn't give me 4gb of images. I went on the internet to check the card's serial number, found out it was in fact a chinese fake. So I took the card back on the same day.

When I told the seller that his cards are fakes, he first gave me the usual surprised look (as if I wouldn't recognize this act after spending 6 years in Peru). I told him to check out the serial number for himself online, but he didn't want to (obviously because that'd prove beyond doubt the card's authenticity). Instead, he wanted to trade it for another one, even though I explained to him that ALL his memory cards were fakes.

After a dozen excuses why the card could not possibly be a fake, I simply said "look, I don't want this card. It doesn't work, it's not as advertised, it's not even the real thing. Refund me or I'll talk to the cops." So he opens the till, whips out his wallet and empties his pockets. He was about $20 short. He offered to refund me, minus $20, then had the balls to say it would be the fee for *his* trouble. So I suggested he pay for my taxi, since I had to take it twice because of his fake cards, and if anyone's time was being wasted over this, it certainly wasn't his! He continued, literally begging me at that point to let him off the hook for $20. Huhhhh??? He knowingly sells me a fake memory card and now he wants a handsome tip for it???

Anyway, I got my refund after he went to borrow money from another vendor, but the thing that really irritated me was that in his mind, it's as if all this was my own fault and responsibility, and anything that he may have done wrong was somehow justified (no matter how stupid the excuses were).

What the example is trying to point out is that for an issue that's simply a black and white one, there's always someone trying to make excuses for being in the wrong. If excuses don't work, then they resort to character assasination, and in the case of this TPS debate, it's being done by calling the other person a racist in one way or another.

Cute. But don't expect me to buy any of it.

(PS - don't buy memory stick cards at polvos azules. They're almost all fakes even though the vendors will deny it)

# americorps says :
14 September, 2007 [ 09:07 ]

I think it is very short sighted to see a very complex world in terms of black and white

and I think it is inhumane to sit and judge a parent who is wondering where his child's next meal is coming from in such simple terms.

The answers in this life are almost always more shades of gray.

We need a humane approach to ending illegal immigration, an inhumane approach is neither American no moral.

# pgoros says :
14 September, 2007 [ 10:13 ]

I don't disagree with you, americorps, regarding finding solutions to immigration and policies. There are some (and may I add many from countries far worse off than Peru who have never received squat) that depending on the situation, really ought to be helped. I don't dispute that. But there are downsides too and I could give you an example (yet another one I know ;)) of where it was necessary (and correct) for some countries to basically further enforce their borders and toughen their immigration policies, due to increase in crime (sorry, it was what it was). Tell me if you want to read about it but I warn you, it'll be a harsh one to swallow.

Hmmm, black and white and all those little gray shades in between, I'm sorry but there's no gray shades to my question, and I will ask it yet once again: is an illegal immigrant breaching law? Yes or no? "It depends" is not an acceptable answer, this is without doubt a black and white question. Easy to answer, come on!

Now, if you want to skip past that important question and delve into the reasons for someone jumping borders, then of course I do sympathise with some that really didn't have a choice but to get out of their own country. As I said, I *do* understand. But first answer the above question, because the answer determines which of the gray-shade arguments above have some validity or are plain ridiculous if not utterly selfish.

But tell me something: how much has this topic been debated here, how many articles were published here about illegal immigration woes, BEFORE the earthquake? Come on, if most of the posters here really have such dire issues about their legal status, I would've appreciated hearing from them long before a natural disaster gave them the opportunity to start moaning about this and try to take advantage of the TPS at the expense of 500+ victims and thousands of currently homeless persons in Ica. Save me the excuses.

PS - no rebuttal regarding availability of low-paying jobs for students/unemployed if all working illegal persons were deported?

# Jaime Bustamante says :
14 September, 2007 [ 11:35 ]

Bravoooooooo pgoros. It's good that there are people that still believe in right and wrong in this world.

# Americorps says :
14 September, 2007 [ 12:36 ]

For it to be as simple as you keep trying to make it, you have to continue to pretent that...

US Corporations have not set-up opportunities and even recruited illegal immigrants

the words EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES did not exist as a legal definition

the US had never set the precedent for fastracking illegal immigrants as legal immigrants

I also consider it racist to only blame crime on illegal immigrants and discuss nothing about the fact that crim amung illegal immigrants (other than the crossing the border crime) is much lower in percentages than crimes of Americans against other Americans.  I can math you ten horror stories per your one.

No, your approach is, at best, nieve and lacking facts and humanity.  Law, politics, can not be without compassion and humanity or we all fail.

# pgoros says :
14 September, 2007 [ 12:47 ]

Jaime, Fano, Julio, thanks and kudos back at you all: It's nice to know that common sense still prevails for some people ;)

Let's just have a quick look at the TPS, as defined by the US Immigration Act of 1990:

"a procedure by which the Attorney General may provide TPS to aliens in the United States who are temporarily unable to safely return to their home country because of ongoing armed conflict, an environmental disaster, or other extraordinary and temporary conditions."

The ONLY part of the TPS that would even remotely make illegal peruvians eligible to receive it is "environmental disaster". Seeing how in relation to all of Peru, only a fairly small piece of it was affected by the earthquake, I fail to understand how anyone could possibly be "temporarily unable to safely return to their home country". As far as I know, the airport in Callao is functioning just fine and receiving international flights daily.

What can I conclude?... the only "unsafe" part of returning to your home country is the fact that you'd have to let yourself get busted first for being an illegal immigrant.

One of you illegals enlighten me here, please, with your pro-TPS stance. If you can't, then at least raise your hand if you have family in Ica...

# alan says :
14 September, 2007 [ 13:50 ]

americorps = apologistic fool

# americorps says :
14 September, 2007 [ 15:46 ]

Alan,

Considering your repeated quotes from known white supremecist, the several lies you have presented as truths and the generall trolling nature you present, there is absolutely nothing legitimate about you.

I find those alligned with Nazis and White Supremecest to be the very worst society has to offer, your only value is as a terrible example to others.

# LUCY URBAN says :
14 September, 2007 [ 20:03 ]

Must be tiresome for the people that are tryng to convince the rest that it is OK to be in a country with no legal status, no matter where you're coming from , Illegal is Illegal, Racism is a different topic, wich no one opposing your ideas have mention anything about "Racism" the few not sharing your believes, we all are horrible people according to you all .
What are you teaching the young generation,that is OK to be dishonest no matter the cause ? please, be more realistic and teach good will to the rest, instead of teaching the ease way out !!!

# americorps says :
14 September, 2007 [ 21:17 ]

Lucy, you did not twice quote known NAZI's and White Supremecists, Alan has.

# Zu says :
14 September, 2007 [ 21:39 ]

pgoros, after 6 years in Peru you should know better than buying stuff in polvos azules, expecting them to be the real thing. (If you knew the chances, wouldn't this be illegal?)
Peru was (or is) a mess, that's the main reason for illegals to be here. Not a excuse, a fact.
If you ask me if it is right to abuse the TPS, I say no. Personally, I believe the rules of the TPS should change, and really be granted to people in worse situations.
But, the law is there, and if all these people can regularize their situation, why not?
That will be half million people registered, people that can be tracked, they will be paying taxes (although most of them do already- yeah, taxes are deducted directly from the paychecks - a fact that some don't want to realize), and getting better jobs so students and welfare abusers can get the lower paid ones (if they actually want to work, but that's another story).

# zu says :
14 September, 2007 [ 21:55 ]

I know this is mostly about the TPS for Peru, but one more thing, if anti-illegal-immigration groups are not racist, why they only mention illegal Latin American people (or Mexican, since that's how they call all Latin Americans), and we don't hear a word about illegals Irish or Eastern Europeans.
Apparently all illegals are Mexicans....

Just a thought.

# peloflex says :
14 September, 2007 [ 22:15 ]

Pgross!

Why dont you go back to polvos azules and get yourself and "WHITE AND SHINNY CERAMIC 3 METERS TALL PEDESTAL" and go home and stand on it all day long.... so you can continue to look at us from your almighty roof that you live in.

You have cited my comments with absolute innacuracy! I have never, not even metioned the TPS.... all I did was to protest against that guy Caceres who appeared as he was better than everybody just cause he has never found himself being an illegal living in US.

Now my question to you is... if you are not a born peruvian.... and neither are you born in the US.... why the heck did you come and said anything here in this post in the first place???? are you the kind of person that just dies to live in dissagreement?... are you a natural born politician???...  man you sound like my borther... I should hook you guys up... cause seriously I have no time for this.. I have a business to run... and last but not least... Im sorry about your peruvian wife... I can only imagine how is that strong black and asian mixture working out for you... man! you should have gone to the north of the country and get a good and pure "chola nortena" ... you wouldnt need to come here and destill so much anger...  maybe you still have time to find happiness.

I hope you do.

Dr. Flex

# Ekeko says :
14 September, 2007 [ 22:45 ]

There we go again, and let's see if I can make myself clear.
The subject matter is: "Peru: 500 Thousand Undocumented Peruvians in U.S. could Benefit from TPS". It is about TPS that could benefit 500 thousand undocumented Peruvians. It is not about whether TPS is just or not, It is not about whether why is anyone illegal or not. It is about the possibility of TPS applied to Peruvians due to the earthquake. As simple as that.  Now, there is a group of people going after the undocumented Peruvians, do you guys feel good while trying to put them down?, to me that’s sick. If you find yourself feeling good about someone else tragedy you ar