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# Sailingwindward says :
23 November, 2008 [ 11:41 ]

Free trade is what's causing economic hardship around the world, especially in the US, how can anyone compete with communist countries (China) that pay workers .30 cents a day and have child slave labor, to fix our economy and that of other countries we need to STOP free trade and go back to tariffs on imported goods, this will make it competitive for the American worker and when Americans are back to work the economy will fix it self. 

# P says :
23 November, 2008 [ 16:00 ]

China is the most capitalist country in the world, not the most democratic, but the most capitalist = abuse.

I hate communism, but the commies HAVE to treat their workers in a good way since social welfare is the basis of their economy. There are many versions of communism, China has too many people and in capitalism it creates low salaries. Simple law of offer and demand,   too much manpower = low wages

# realpeople says :
23 November, 2008 [ 16:11 ]

China is a comunist country that practises CHILD Slave Labour at a very young AGE  so what do think?

# P says :
23 November, 2008 [ 16:15 ]

That's perfectly ok with capitalist too? no? if its more profitable.

Don't confuse "capitalism" with "democracy"

# realpeople says :
23 November, 2008 [ 16:17 ]

 I true agree 

Free trade is what's causing economic hardship around the world.

# realpeople says :
23 November, 2008 [ 16:27 ]

bullshit and u thiink it is good do u P

# realpeople says :
23 November, 2008 [ 16:34 ]

  Free Trade
What we don't realize is  we are giving away our Quality produce to other countries for free (who really don't deserve it ) and  ignoring the important issue we have in our own country that suffer our own hardships which cause  present & future economic struggle

# realpeople says :
23 November, 2008 [ 16:35 ]

  Free Trade
What we don't realize is  we are giving away our Quality produce to other countries for free (who really don't deserve it ) and  ignoring the important issue we have in our own country that suffer our own hardships which cause  present & future economic struggle

# sailingwindward says :
23 November, 2008 [ 17:18 ]

Since we all agree that free trade is the problem, why doesn't everyone instead of writing about it in a blog and complaining, write and email your congressman and complain, encourage friends and relatives to do the same. Go to: www.house.gov or www.congress.org

I complain all the time to them, when one (1) person contacts their representative it equals the voice of many.

# realpeople says :
23 November, 2008 [ 18:35 ]

and what makes u think we dont,my country is not a problem to deal with,(it the rest of the world that is and has the problem in this day and ago) that creates a burdens of todays lifestyles in which we all become effected by

# David says :
23 November, 2008 [ 18:55 ]

RealPeople,

When you say my country what country are you referring to?

If your country is Peru, lets take the fact that Peru is involved in 2 free trade agreements that I am aware of. One with the US and another with China.

Who forced Peru into this agreement? Peru is just as much a part of the problem as every other country. If you want to use the defense that Peru didn't have a choice but to deal with these 2 much larger countries then it is still partly Peru's fault as they should have been in a stronger position.

Every country in the world that participates in these so called agreements bears some responsibility.

# realpeople says :
23 November, 2008 [ 19:41 ]

dumb question would u like a dumb answer

# whats your problem says :
23 November, 2008 [ 19:51 ]

sounds like u are looking to making Excuses David

# Half a brain! says :
23 November, 2008 [ 20:18 ]

RP/WYP,

Together you don't seem to have Half a Brain! Make sense or at least try! The other option is get lost.

# P says :
23 November, 2008 [ 20:59 ]

Funny thing that you guys say "free trade" is the problem, the APEC leaders have just said that "free trade" is the solution.

# P says :
23 November, 2008 [ 21:04 ]

And "free trade" is what is making Perú develop. We have many FTA's not only the one with China ans USA, wich have been very well negotiated. Also with Canada, Chile, the Andean Community and Singapore.

The ones on the way are South Korea, Japan, EU, etc.

# Sailingwindward says :
23 November, 2008 [ 21:54 ]

Of course APEC leaders are saying it's the solution, the only Countries that are gaining from free trade is Peru, China, Canada, Chile, South Korea, Japan, EU, etc

And the American worker has suffered the most from all this, the only Americans who are for free trade are the ones who will profit from low slave labor and an idiot president that will remembered the same way we remember Herbert Hoover for putting the Country into a depression.

# whats your problem says :
23 November, 2008 [ 21:58 ]

 Do the People of Peru Have a say in all this FTA ******** or is the polician making all the discission
who will really suffer from the economic struggle that will effect future generations question (who really cares) is what i ask

who is going to be the first one to tell some ********

# Sailingwindward says :
23 November, 2008 [ 22:08 ]

The people of Peru will have about as much to say about FTA as the unemployed American worker did when his job got shipped to China, and the goods he made now come in with zero (0) tariffs on it and are made for a 1/100th of the cost and sell for the same price.

# whats your problem says :
24 November, 2008 [ 04:29 ]

got nothing to say; well i am going to come back later and ask these same questions,when you start (whinging) about the lack of control taken to identifying the issue s ( cheap-under-valued) produce dump on your shores,inexchange for the high quality produce you send off your shore to other country,but hey,you will learn in time, but maybe not and then it will be to late, your economy will suffer from the realities of  lifes shortcomings

I wish Peru well in all areas relating to these Agreements set forth,but be aware and keep a finger on the ball,of what is going on,because what i have seen happen on a Global prespect in other countries could and will happen to Peru and any other country, that are unaware of the realities  and demise s created out there in the world

# Mike says :
24 November, 2008 [ 09:45 ]

China ruled the world for about 2,000 years up until about 100 years ago. They have many resources and even more bright and talented people.  

 

Pay is only relative to your expenses, but is important when comparing other countries. This discussion always leads to value of goods and services relative to other goods and services - no matter country of origin.

 

I'm from America - land of too much feminized (man bad, woman good type) legislation in the home and at work - so I have little sorrow that America is losing its role as world leader.

 

For me, an average guy, life is about family, work and God.  When a guy's natural, even normal, behavior is criminalized and unfair behavior is encouraged, I get worried.

# Julio G says :
24 November, 2008 [ 10:42 ]

For all of you who complain about free trade,
If you are American, then you have not right to complain about China and slavery.
 It's bad, but the major customer is the US, why? look at Walmart, Target, Sam's, etc. All the products (except food) are made in CHINA or Taiwan, where people are abused, but since there's a major costumer who loves buying junk at Walmart all the time, then slavery will continue to exist. why are you complaining about Free-Trade? if you buy at  Walmart at least once a week and support slavery indirectly??? So far I know, there's always a Waltmart in every town.
That's what's hurting your country, because small American business cannot compete with Waltmart's prices and they go out of business. And it's right there in the US.
I don't mean to offend anyone, but it's true.
VIVA EL PERU

# Sailingwindward says :
24 November, 2008 [ 11:15 ]

Julio, You are absolutely correct about Walmart, but the American people have little choice in the matter since Walmart, foreign and corporate lobbyists control our impotent leaders in Washington, just try and find anything that is still made in the USA is next to impossible, even food products that are made here, are made with Chinese ingredients (melamine being one of them), I think the Americans would prefer to pay a $1.00 more for something that was made in the USA and keep Americans working, unfortunately the US produces nothing but unemployment and a depressing economy.

# Julio G says :
24 November, 2008 [ 12:00 ]

Sailingwindward,
I agree 100% with you. Americans do not have many choices, and lobbyists from Walmart are as strong as tabaco's.
But, Americans produce wonderful high tech instruments/systems, and I'm not talking about Xbox, but instruments that cost as much as a house. I used these instruments when I was doing my grad school, all of them made in USA, and you know what? they worked for years! and almost all schools in the US has them. I saw few of them in Peru too.
I wish you a great thanksgiving!!!

# mucho confundo says :
24 November, 2008 [ 12:27 ]

Free Trade benfits producers and consumers by allowing market forces, instead of political/government forces determine how to manufacture and distribute goods and services most efficiently.

Absent minimum standards of production, safety and ownership, free trade may contribute to social and economic inequities. One reason the US does not have a FTA with China is because Chinese labor laws provide an unfair advantage for Chinese producers and are reprehensible to American social ideals (employment for 14 years olds is viewed differently by many Chinese).

On the other hand, protectionism serves special interests at the cost of general welfare and leads to economic inefficiencies. for example, if  automobile imports were to be prohibited to the US, US auto manufacturers would produce an increasingly inferior product at a higher and higher cost to consumers - hmmmm, come to think of it, doesn't that already describe them?

# whats your problem says :
24 November, 2008 [ 13:45 ]

Julio G stop talking crap and what makes u think that every person on here is a American ( u & many others on here,have a huge chip on ur should,in regards to Americian  and this power trip issue that all FTA are rewarded by and with  a golden handshake (get real) u have a lot to learn about people and the way the world works

got to ask (ur excuse) to this question:   has there been any record of babes (Life) dying in the USA recently from (melomine manufactured product) and how many and do americian people know what is happening under their nose,that is putting them at risk

# whats your problem says :
24 November, 2008 [ 14:01 ]

by the way Julio G: i have every right to complain about Human Rights and Human Slavery(being in this day & age) or would u prefer i do that to ur people and what u think u know about the world & what is made in China,u don;t and never will,because ur head is to big for ur brain,(PC crap u go on about) go back to school

# Sailingwindward says :
24 November, 2008 [ 15:31 ]

Companies that use imported food products from communist China, Kellogs, Purina, Pepsi, Americas Beverages, Iams, Mars Inc, Nestle's, Cadbury, etc, nowhere on their labeling do I read that fact, has anybody read the labeling of meats at the supermarket (product of USA, Canada, Mexico) as if you want to gamble, I can't imagine what a Mexican slaughter house looks like inside, so yes I can say all the FTA is done on the golden handshake, if you took survey the majority of Americans would oppose free trade in any form.

 

# Julio G says :
24 November, 2008 [ 15:39 ]

what's your problem,
Look, normally I don't answer to rants or narrow minded people like you, but it seems that your faculty to read and understand english is as bad as your spelling, and YOU tell me to go back to school?! hahahah hilarious.
I NEVER implied everyone was American here. I said "If you are American, then..." READ before you make a fool of yourself.
Also, try to be a MAN and don't insult on forums.

# whats your problem says :
24 November, 2008 [ 17:06 ]

people won;t listen to you,Julio G because your words are meanless and empty in respect to the issue people have to face out there in the real world,no one find what you say of any importance to them,because u just repeat what others say,that don;t offer solutions to,where people need to focus their attention on importances that will effect their livehoods

Get a brain and come back to the real world,because what i see u are way out of touch with reality in this world

# P says :
25 November, 2008 [ 00:23 ]

LOL, you people, Americans would oppose free trade? that's worse than being a Communist, do you want to isolate from the world? 

Well, that has always been your stance, for WWI and WW2, but that was a different America, now you have colonized and developed all of your country, there's little hope for the massive expansion companies want, expansion that can be gained in Russia, China, Peru, Brazil, India, Turkey, Mexico, Eastern Europe.

Your commercial policy is dictated by YOUR American Bussiness, and they don't want protectionism, same thing for most all developed countries, not all since Canda has just signed an FTA with Peru, and we know that Canada has a higher standart of living than the US or many other developed countries. 

Free Trade is the way to go and its NOT what's causing the crisis, if you in America can't produce some product at a competitive price, then don't. The only reasonable excuse to ban a country from trading with you could be that they have human right's practises that violate your own in an extreme way. 

And of course if you are not in war with that country or some such thing. 

PD: You guys perfected the "Game" now don't start crying for your success. Be happy, You Made It! the World is CAPITALIST NOW!

# David says :
25 November, 2008 [ 21:50 ]

Sorry to disagree but,

The rest of the world is not capitalist. America is not even a capitalist country in the pure meaning of the word. America has many social programs. Last and not least is the 70 Billion dollar bail out. America is very much a mix of many systems and so far it works. Bumps in the road but nothing runs smooth for ever.

Americans always change the rule when the rest of the world starts to catch up, that is how you stay ahead.

And this is not truly a free trade agreement by any stretch. If trade were free there would not be a book of rules the size of the yellow pages to dictate what can and cannot be done. 

# Sailingwindward says :
25 November, 2008 [ 22:23 ]

The only Country who obeys the rules is the US, every other Country protects their economy and their workers by not having such huge trade deficits like the US has, China manipulates their currency, the sad truth is that the US government and all the corporate & foreign lobbyist who run it want Americans to eat rats, shut up, buy all foreign goods and pay taxes so we can give 800 trillion to the richest in America and Saudi Arabia who ons Citigroup, we don't just need change in administration, we need to hang those responsible in a public square.

# jcwong says :
26 November, 2008 [ 03:45 ]

...."Americans always change the rule when the rest of the world starts to catch up, that is how you stay ahead."...LOL

...."The only Country who obeys the rules is the US"...LOL

You dont have a tv at home? cant understand whats happening around? The US is entering its worst economic collapse since the great depression. the road is gonna be bumpy for a long long time with or w/o obama, better start facing reality.

which rules have they changed recently that rest of the world should follow?
bankruptcy laws? theft and fraud laws? how not to run an economy laws?
Im sure you guys were just joking.

jcw

# David says :
26 November, 2008 [ 11:24 ]

JCW,

Don't be so sure about that. What the US does do is change the rules as to try and stay one step ahead of the next guy. In doing so it takes awhile for the advantage of the new rules to kick in. The American people will catch on about new trade loop holes or ways of diverting money and things will smooth out. No country that I am aware of outside of Shangri-La is immune to ups and downs in there economy. And yes this is about to be a big down but the bigger the up side the bigger the down side. That seems to be the way things go.

Keep an eye on the US stock market and the markets around the world that just fell into the sea. In a few years time GM, Ford, GE, Bank Of America, and all the others will be back at the top. Now is the time to make your money not when things are good and prices are sky high!

# jcwong says :
28 November, 2008 [ 06:08 ]

David
LOL!! Too bad for you GWB is not running again.
Lots of luck with your theories, unless you mean a few decades when you say few years. If you find a country in all of history that has printed (money) itself out of bankruptcy send me an email with a bank account and ill deposit every penny I have. Look up Germany (weimar years 1921-1939) for inspiration.

Merry Xmas
By the way, no bad sentiments or pointless ironies on my part, I have a lot of family in the states, even 3rd generation kids, and I really wish what is happening wasnt happening. It is a catastrophe.

JCW

# David says :
28 November, 2008 [ 21:50 ]

JCW,

Germany during the time frame you outlined was not a self imposed situation. France was demanding reparations be paid even though the money was not in place. The new German government was forced to print the extra money to try and cover the debt. Of course we all know what happened next.

Amazing though how Germany is one of the most well off countries after being beaten up on 2 different occasions.

I did not vote for Georgie buy Bush and never would. My man of choice was Ron Paul.

But I have to tell you these times may turn out to be the best of times for me. I've got cash and in bad times cash is king. All these stock prices are down to dirt bottom or at least on there way to being so. I'll be there to help pick up the pieces.

Good luck, be well and keep your eyes on the government, after all they have all the answers. Err answers to stay away from!

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