Keiko: "I will not allow my daughters to carry a cross like I have."
Keiko Fujimori gave an interview with Milagros Leiva Gálvez of El Comercio last Friday, two weeks prior to the run-off for Peru’s elections. Gálvez also asked “incessantly” for a similar sitdown with Ollanta Humala, but he did not accept, she says.
How are these last few days for you?
They are long days, intense, but also fruitful. I’m receiving gestures of great sympathy and this energy helps me continue with strength and joy.
But there’s also a lot of rage and indignation. More than half of all Peruvians can’t even look at you.
It’s the same sensation with my contender [Ollanta Humala]. It’s true there’s more aggressiveness towards my political party and I’m sorry violence is being used. There’s a certain sentiment for the errors and crimes that were committed in the ’90s and that irritates people, but I’m not the guilty to one to have people yell “murderer” at me. I’ve been objective and critical of Alberto Fujimori’s government and not just now. I criticized his third reelection and signed the referendum. I criticized the presence of Montesinos.
If you were opposed, why did you speak publically asking people to vote for your father a third time?
In that last political rally, if you pay attention, I was dressed in black. Someone accompanying my father had passed away. It was a difficult day for him, we were at the wake and I wanted to be with him afterwards.
I understand you wanted to be with him but it’s another thing to cheer him on.
What I did at one point was to defend him, reject violence. I was with him twice in the seventy rallies he did.
Do you still believe your father was the best president of Peru?
If you analyze the last Apoyo poll, 30% place Fujimori in first place and in second place Alejandro Toledo, with 20%. If you balance the good things and the bad things, a lot of good things were accomplished. It’s difficult to put things in perspective during a campaign.
Humala has just sworn on the Bible that he will leave in five years and that he’ll be democratic. Will you swear that you will not pardon your father?
I’ve repeated this before; I will not make any decisions that will benefit my family. I want to be president of Peru to work for all and I will only make State decisions. I will not pardon my father; the process will be resolved by judicial proceedings.
What did you think of Humala’s oath?
I respect his decision, however what generates doubt within many Peruvians and myself is why he presented a government plan and then changed it. To finance his social programs he wanted to touch the pension funds, and then he retracted and signed a commitment for Peru that tries to change his initial plan. Later, a roadmap that contradicts his original plan and now he swears he will not change the Constitution when his government says so 17 times. These changes make me doubt. That same day of the oath, at the Confederación General de Trabajadores del Perú [a trade union], he talked about changing the Constitution.
He also doesn’t believe you and thinks the real candidate is your father.
That’s not true. I’m the one on campaign, the one that gives the speeches, the one who decides. I’m the one that will be president of Peru.
Some of your spokespersons are more radical than the military reservists. Remember Cuculiza proposing the military service…
She has retracted. No one from Fuerza 2011has participated in the coup against ex-president Toledo or has killed policemen.
Worse things could be said. Fujimorismo was complicit with their silence to Barrios Altos and La Cantuta. What is worse?
The ones responsible for Barrios Altos and La Cantuta were the members of La Colina and they are in jail.
Would you give them amnesty?
Never. They are murderers who took the lives of innocents.
And these were truths that your father knew about, but did nothing.
Are we back to Alberto Fujimori?
Isn’t it true that we should look to our past so as to not repeat it?
I’m the first one to say that there are crimes that could never be repeated in my government. In a previous interview you asked me if I was going to reclaim the name of my father. I’ve reflected upon this, I’ve carried a heavy cross for many years. I will not allow my daughters to carry a cross like I have. Past errors will not be committed.
How much has it weighed to carry your last name?
A lot. It has its pros and cons. It’s not the Fujimori name; it’s the errors of a lot of people. It’s been complicated, but these difficult moments make a person stronger. I want my daughters to be proud of me.
Did your father lack solidarity, was he was less human for knowing about the deaths at Barrios Altos and La Cantuta and doing nothing?
Yes, he should’ve been stronger to prosecute the crimes. Yes, he lacked solidarity, but that does not make him the guilty one. Children are not to judge their parents, it’s a universal law. My discrepancies have always been private.
How much did it take you to recognize that in the government of Alberto Fujimori crimes were committed? You went out and offered an apology.
Many people suggested this to me independently. They told me it was necessary to heal wounds, to look towards the future. It’s important to be able to reconciliate.
You are not running away then from your Achilles’ Heel?
It’s also an Achilles heel for Ollanta Humala. He has the Madre Mia issue, the ‘andahuaylazo’.
The judge San Martin, the same one that dictated your father’s sentence, acquitted him (Humala).
There’s other evidence, right? There should be an investigation, we know they wanted to try to buy witnesses and that merits a more profound investigation. He says he had no part in the “andahuaylazo,” but there’s a video where Antauro says he receives orders from Ollanta Humala. Justice must speak, I have a lot of doubts.
What other doubts do you have?
This quadruple discourse that he has. On the one hand, for many years he has been an advocate for the Constitution of ’79, now he says he will respect the Constitution of ’93. In his plan he says he will apply seven new taxes, now he says none. Later he says he has no ties with Chavez, but there’s audio and witnesses that speak of their financial relations.
And you dance the conga line with [Chávez].
It was a protocol gathering between presidents and first ladies. I imagine that photo was filtered by Mr. Chavez. They are trying to feign a relationship where there isn’t one. The Humala strategy is to cover up the sun with one finger and say that I’m a Chavista. Please, don’t be ridiculous.
I’ve heard a lot of women say they would never vote for you because you didn’t defend your mother publically when she accused Alberto Fujimori of torture.
Those were difficult years. It’s not only a divorce between parents, but it was a public divorce. But even in the most difficult times between them I had a good relationship with my mother. I’m not the person who invites the press every time I’m with her. I’ve always been with my mother, at least twice a week. We have a great friendship. Now she helps me with my daughters.
Did your father torture your mother?
There’s a judicial proceeding that was dismissed twice by international judges. I will not comment on the fights between them. The divorce was very hurtful for the children. Parents can divorce, but the children never divorce their parents. I will not go into details out of respect for the both of them.
And to the people who think you were a bad daughter?
It would be bad for me to say in this interview what kind of daughter I’ve been… I’m at peace because I tried to be a good daughter to both of them.
Keiko says I will not allow my daughters to carry a cross like I have, in interview with Milagros Leiva Gálvez of El Comercio.