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Peru Government will not accept anarchy, Prime Minister says

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Isabel Guerra

Peru’s Prime Minister Yehude Simon said, during the Congress' questioning, that the government understands the historical tensions between the State and certain sectors of the society, but it does not mean it will accept the chaos and anarchy.

"We are not turning a blind eye to historic isolation attempting to destabilize the democratic regime and impede the country's progress."

He remarked that the Peruvian Government rejects violence as a method of protest, and that measures such as blocking of roads are considered a crime since they involve violence and isolation of cities.

Simon said that Peru's Government reaffirms its commitment to dialogue aimed at achieving national reconciliation and the country’s development.

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# David N says :
25 June, 2009 [ 22:51 ]

How does this fool look at himself in the mirror every day and have the audacity to call himself a Prime Minister of ANY country?

Here's a newsflash for you 'Yehude' -- YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY ACCEPTED ANARCHY BY THE ACTIONS OF THE CONGRESS AND THE INACTIONS OF SECURITY FORCES IN THIS NATION. I mean, how stupid are these people anyway??

They should all be required to spend the first six months of their term of office in a normal country to see how government is supposed to operate.

'Yehude.' Even his name is dumb.

# mard says :
25 June, 2009 [ 23:02 ]

david n. is a retard.............. hes an ignorant twit whos uncapable of having a life. you look in the mirror retard......... and see at your stupidity.
i hope you actually do something progressive, instead of being a fool.
its not my fault you think you're a genius....go to a phycoslogist.
anyways, if you hate peru so much.....QUIT GETTING ON THE WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

# MARK says :
25 June, 2009 [ 23:17 ]

mard chill........i knwo he is insulting your country.hes not smart, and yes you are correct.
dont get yourself in trouble.

# mard says :
25 June, 2009 [ 23:22 ]

blog...excuse my horrible words and unkindness.
i just lost control at him for insulting.
really im very sorry
forgive me.

# David N says :
25 June, 2009 [ 23:53 ]

Considering the exchange between the 2 posters above, it's fair to say you people are completely WHACKED.

No wonder these PE government jokers get away with so much.  The people down here are blinded to the max by nationalism.   

# HLOVE says :
26 June, 2009 [ 01:43 ]

Mard you have yet to say anything constructive about your opinions on the topic. I am curious about your thoughts on the "progressive" movement in the country.

I only lived in Peru for a year:
But what I saw was that as many countries have done before Peru. Progress destroys national heritage. These cultures living in the remote sections of Peru are losing their freedoms. Their rich heritage is becoming diluted because of the governments need to export national product. This relates to the President of Peru calling the Bolivian President and enemy of the country. This involves, Peruanco acidentally discovering uncontacte indigenous tribes in the amazon in September. This is a big topic. It seems the government wants progress at any cost.
I just hope that they are able to attain it without sacrificing the incredible cultural integrity that has made Peru unique among all the nations in the world.
I just hope that these beurocratic dogs don't destroy their own culture for oil.

# Uwe P. says :
26 June, 2009 [ 02:52 ]

Dear David N.

please - please - shut your mouth. Your hate and poison in every comment at livinginperu is boring and nasty.

It seems you are sitting the hole day in front of your computer only to wait of a new possibility to give a mad comment. 

You are so poor.

Uwe

# Judge Nott says :
26 June, 2009 [ 07:39 ]

thankUwe expressing that most hatefull and judgemental point
seems Uwe are wating all day for David N

# Mike says :
26 June, 2009 [ 09:08 ]

Althought David N was pretty harsh about it - I must agree one one point.

What, exactly, does the Prime Minister think the 'system' in Peru is at the moment?  Does he even understand the definition of Anarchy?

I don't think the politicians are even aware of what goes on below their level in Peru.

# Mike says :
26 June, 2009 [ 10:45 ]

Hey,

Even if you don't like what David N is saying, he has the right to say it. The site is for people to discuss what it is like living in Peru. Not everyone will say good things.
Even many of the Peruvians are trying to leave so they must not like it in Peru either.

# renee tomer says :
26 June, 2009 [ 11:12 ]

did they come to an agreement yesterday and is the blockade at sicuani clear, anyone know?

# jacob says :
26 June, 2009 [ 12:24 ]

I very much agree that David N. shouldn't say these things, and quit getting on. However, Mard was a bit harsh.
I was wondering, are these outbreaks of terrorists?
i just hope david n doesnt answer.

# YanaPupu says :
26 June, 2009 [ 12:27 ]

Sicuani bridges still blocked,,,, one bridge even got burned in the peaceful blockaid,, they are close to running out of Beer in the strike zone, negoation with Simon was for sending a beer truck....
Prices of Pollo n Cement are going up in Cusco,,as well as many other products.
they are claiming that they do not want a hydro eletric plant that is in progress of being built.
Go figure  who would want clean hydro ele power ? 

# Matt says :
26 June, 2009 [ 13:36 ]

Hydro electricity is great...if it isn't being built where you live. Imagine having your whole town flooded, the valley where your family has probably been living for the last few hundred years suddenly becoming a lake. And also what about the costs to villages downstream, they'll suddenly find their water source isn't providing quite as much water as it used to.

Peru's in a tricky position, it wants to develop, to become rich...but the people who live there often don't benefit from these riches.

# Darn Dam says :
26 June, 2009 [ 13:52 ]

that would be a good thing to protest,
if there were a dam, or a flooded village,
send beer truck quick before another bridge gets burnt

# c.schmidt says :
26 June, 2009 [ 14:13 ]

Mike I was thinking- you might be right- my husband was Reading LIP and we were after speaking about freedom of expression.Myself I listen yesterdays interpellation- second part about events in Bagua- actually there was only one question done- Wo gave the order?Many people spoke but this one vital question was without a concrete answer. I found this in the redhttp://www.politicaspublicas.net/panel/noticias/america-latina/318-peru-comunicado-mision-fidh.htmlhttp://www.perupuntocom.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=15091 I am glad that in a surprisingly new way yesterday freedom of expressions, need of protection of environment, more work giving investment, and open bank accounts were discussed. Congress members of Partido Nationalista and UPP , some members from action popular and Unidad Nacional and some congressmembers of Fujimorismo gave interesting reflections  which should be taken serious in  consilleration by those  who are in charge.  From my point it seems quite clear as long as open questions are not answered we might get used to see  more pictures on tv of  Peruvians expressing their anger and frustration. We might not agree with those steps but If politics fails than streets become what we saw during the last weeks.In best  interest of inner peace I hope sooner as better those who are responsible for wrong decisions are stepping aside.  Anyone yesterday must become curious when we were informed that Bagua intervention was taken as a “political decision”- From Whom? Additional we were informed that this “political decision” was prob. Taken in together with not acknowledging  missing strategic preparations in the area which if they would have been existed on time may be could have prevent what we seen after- a mass which on international level  is described as a blood sheet without description.

In days like this many people remember how mister Garcia handle over Peru last time- the country was dominated by terrorism and a destroyed economy- all this had to be fixed by others.
also they remember on the events in "fronton".

I dont doubt- with new tecniques of investigations the bodies of missing persons are found soon. 

I also hope in near future investigative press will surprise us with new news about Petrogate.

# wife of dead PNP says :
26 June, 2009 [ 14:43 ]

WHO gave the order,,
PNP post at curva de diablo had 30 some PNP policemen.. 
1500 natives responded to the call on local radio to attack the post.
the police were tied as hostages, then beaten, then 9 got excuted and 7 are still missing.
Who gave the Order??  
Ask the widows and fatherless children of the 24 dead Police?

# c.schmidt says :
26 June, 2009 [ 15:37 ]

First of all I want to express my deep and sincere condolences – to everyone who lost one of their loved family members- police families and native’s families.
I feel for your pain and my heart reaches out. Whoever is responsible for all that should be taken accountable by law. Who gave on high level the order? Yesterday in congress it was told twise very clear and stays historically on record- it was a political decision. If so than the order was not given by the police but by an politician- because only a politician can make political decisions? Many Peruvians must be interested in the name. The question was yesterday ask- but not answered Further links I found on the red – and reflect how wide is the topic discussed on international and national level from different perceptions/opinions.  Myself I saw the video for the first time and I am speechless.

I deeply disagree how things were handled in the jungle area – democracy has a diffrent face.  

(the following imagenes I dont recomend to the widow of the policeman- because they are very disturbing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ur9duUg0Wo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExgvnif0pA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZt3BBqUkmo&feature=related

# David N says :
26 June, 2009 [ 17:47 ]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for sticking up for me!  I owe you one, wink :) 

And Jacob, yes I will answer if I feel so inclined, the terrorists are just as retarted as the Peruvian goverment. 

I will express myself here as long as needs be!

# Rene says :
26 June, 2009 [ 19:06 ]

Doesn't "one bridge even got burned in the peaceful blockaid" contain a contradiction? or is burning a bridge a peaceful ritual these days?

# David N says :
26 June, 2009 [ 19:22 ]

David N says :
26 June, 2009 [ 17:47 ]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for sticking up for me!  I owe you one, wink :) 

And Jacob, yes I will answer if I feel so inclined, the terrorists are just as retarted as the Peruvian goverment. 

I will express myself here as long as needs be!

>>IF YOU'RE GOING TO IMPERSONATE ME, AT LEAST LEARN HOW TO SPELL 'RETARDED' RETARD.

# you tube says :
26 June, 2009 [ 19:37 ]

enter in youtube.com
peru road blocks 
for some current videos of travelers having to walk 10 hours to get to cusco

# John B says :
26 June, 2009 [ 19:47 ]

Anarchy is usually a bad option unless the government is curel,deaf to the people,such as in Iran right now. I saw the images of the dead PNP and was horrified too.I believe the Peru government needs to learn how to talk with and compensate with all it's peoples better.In the US the Indian solution was eventually somewhat sucessful.I do not agree with what was done to them in the whole scope. Today they have ugly land to live on with various cassinos to operate,tax free.If you are 100% Indian you qualify for various grovernment programs including free $$$$$$$ for the rest of your life,thanks to the working American taxpayers.I would hate to see Peru loose it's culture or ruin any land for the sake of mining or oil ventures.

# jacob says :
26 June, 2009 [ 20:35 ]

look nobody answered my question.
my guess is that they aren't just protestors, because the terrorists are communists, and tis has nothing to do with it. also, the dont even have guns like before.
what do you think?


Oh and by the way David N, i never said you couldn't talk, just not to my question.

# David N says :
26 June, 2009 [ 23:41 ]

Jacob, since nobody answered you, I will anyway. 

Most likely what's going on traces back to Chavez in Venezuela.  He's a loony and wants all of South America to be a replica of his own country, and eventually under his thumb.  He's got Evo in Bolivia on board, and wants Peru to elect this leftist guy Humala when Garcia leaves office so he can have a new ally.  All these FTA's simply will not do in his mind.  Especially with the "imperialists."  AKA the United States.   

So they're using Chavez's oil money for payoffs to stir up the natives out there in the boondocks, making trouble and trying to pave the way for them to elect Humala.  Notice how he's surging ahead in the polls now, and he's already been to Caracas to visit Chavez.   

Humala gets elected president, and Peru is done.

The PE government is aware of all this, and has made claims that outsiders were interfering.  Problem is, the PE government is weak, and has historically been focused mainly on Lima, with it's influence diminishing with every kilometer as you leave the city.  People in the hinterlands of Peru have never particularly felt included in the political processes in Lima, or fond of the people and government in Lima.  For many of them, Lima is like another planet, but one they must take orders from.  Not a good situation.  Couple that with an idiot for a president and an unorganized, corrupt Congress, and the stage is perfectly set for Chavez, Morales, etc to have their way in the countryside. 

That's the way I see it, after 20 years of coming down here. 

# M Luki says :
27 June, 2009 [ 11:04 ]

Giving the indigenous $$ like the US did with the indians here is not the answer. Being a welfare (thats what it is when you give people $$) state has destroyed the indian people of the US.

Many recieve enough $$ to be comfortable enough without extra work. Alcholholism and drug abuse are very high. Children do not graduate from high schools of low quality. The languages are all dying. Teens feel more comfortable emulating inner city street gangs than other indians. The $$ pushed upon them has crushed thier culture.

I live in the Northwest of the US and there are still many indians in this part of the country. I took my Peruvian wife and kids to a Pow-Wow last summer and my wife was very confused in finding out that the indians do not live like before. No hunting, no master horsemen, no teepees, no respect for elders, no vision quests, nothing that we think of as traditionional.

Instead, they live in typical houses in need of repair and have yards filled with broken down cars and other junk. You can see the despair in their faces. No more pride. SOME of the younger generation are fighting for positive change but they are too few. Most of those who are successful have left the reservations.

Giving $$ to these people is a bad idea. Do not make the same mistakes that were made here.

# Simon says :
27 June, 2009 [ 11:58 ]

I totatally agree with you Mard.

Peru: Blood Flows In The Amazon
http://www.countercurrents.org/petras170609.htm

# jacob says :
27 June, 2009 [ 13:02 ]

good answer thanks david n, i agree that they mainly focus on lima. however it is said to change. however, i do not think that that leftist guy is winning, i heard,that either keiko fujimori or lourdes flores are winning. hopefully lourdes will win.
wow chavez pisses me off. what do you think?

# c.schmidt says :
27 June, 2009 [ 14:50 ]

Interesting posting-Well I think ONU representative mister Anaya who critizized what happen here a few weeks ago is definitely not a leftist- he is just pro democracy. Still I was wondering when they will find the other bodies which are declared as possible missing ac. To internet reviews. I also don’t think those persons who were sharp on Petrogate are leftist. Peru is still waiting- myself I am curious about every news about this event. – not to much critics and questions about this issues form all this foreigners who are putting here their notes.  But something makes me think- several persons in last congress 7 hour session  discuss here influence of leftist and Marxist ideologies- Prob. I am the only on with concrete life experience and not only this- I am a political refugee from former  east Germany- system very much like  North Corea- and anyone who speaks here about communism does not know what means really communism until he has lived a little bit under this conditions- and can open the mouth very much - especially when he was active against this kind of opressive system and has experiance-
- persons like me and not David N. I am tend to go by facts- in congress were open discussed from one congressperson  that actual government under mister Garcia was prob. locking for dialogue with communist party- I don’t find in this forum some critical words about it. Why? In congress interpellation from Prime Minster Simon also was argued that mister Garcia is locking for strong alliances with china- and everyone knows that there are communists in charge and how freedom of expression is handled such as human rights- well just lock into Tibet. It was also discussed the possibility from one congressman that actual government might get active help from the Chinese communist party. Why nobody here discuss a little bit about this here. So I guess- we should here not kind of fool around – because int. readers who are on LIP might get into the conclusions that may be just may be some  postings might be done by some persons directly linked to especific intrests..  We won’t give them this impression. Wont we?. We want Peru as soon as possible to become a quite peaceful place, without anarcy ,  were streets are unblocked, were everything is running well according to rules of modern democratic engagement.  

# Matt says :
29 June, 2009 [ 08:04 ]

Communism takes many forms and I don't think that the leftists being engaged by Alan's government are communists in the Russian sense...or in the Chinese sense. Peru is such a confusion of differing interests that everyone tends to get rolled up in to one group, anyone who supports indiginous rights is instantly affiliated with Chavez and the Shining Path which makes them far easier to disregard.

Peru's recent relations with China is very odd indeed considering the history. I don't know if there is direct evidence but China supported Maoist revolutions worldwide of which the Shining Path were one. China is one friend i'm not sure you'd want to make, they're foreign policy seems to be even more aggressive than the former colonial powers, any future governments who want to make an about turn on policy will have a lot of trouble now that the Chinese have been invited in.

# jb says :
29 June, 2009 [ 08:44 ]

"Peru Government will not accept caos and anarchy"????  Ha!  Just try driving in Lima.

# FTA says :
29 June, 2009 [ 09:45 ]

Did anyone read the zillion pages of free trade agreement with USA??? 
I remember seeing old PPK standing in front of the print out it was 28 boxes of office paper.    
Does anyone know what it says ?

# Jason W. Smith, Ph.D. says :
29 June, 2009 [ 15:30 ]

I quite agree with the comment about chaos and anarchy as exemplified by Lima traffic (and Callao, and Trujillo, etc.) as far as any Peruvian comical PM may be concerned. The real concern for democrats in Peru should be the impending theft of the next elections by anti-Humala military golpistas. See what the CIA (Navy Seals.US Army Green berets) small unit action teams have been up to in long-time total US colony the "Republic" of Honduras (in gringo terms a Banana Republic which is quite a different thing than any Platonic definition might indicate.)

Havana.  June 29, 2009

Reflections of Fidel A suicidal error (Taken from CubaDebate) IN my reflection written last Thursday night, June 25, I said: "We do not know what will happen tonight or tomorrow in Honduras, but the brave conduct of Zelaya will go down in history." Two paragraphs before I noted: "What is happening there will be a test for the OAS and for the current United States administration." The prehistoric Inter-American institution had met the other day in Washington and in a muted, lukewarm resolution, promised to immediately take the pertinent actions to seek harmony between the warring parties. In other words, negotiations between the coup plotters and the constitutional president of Honduras. The top military chief, still commanding the Honduran Armed Forces, was making public statements in disagreement with the positions of the president, while recognizing the latter’s authority merely in formal terms. The coup plotters did not need anything else from the OAS. They didn’t give a damn about the presence of a large number of international observers who traveled to that country to vouchsafe a popular referendum and to whom Zelaya spoke until late in the night. Before dawn today they deployed 200 professional and well-trained soldiers to attack the president’s residence. Roughly pushing aside the Honor Guard squadron, they then kidnapped Zelaya, who was sleeping at that point, took him to the air base, forcibly bundled him aboard an airplane and transported him to an air base in Costa Rica. At 8:30 a.m. we heard the news of the assault on the Presidential residence and the kidnapping via Telesur. The president was unable to attend the opening event of the referendum that was to take place this Sunday. It was not known what they had done with him. The official television channel was silenced. They wanted to prevent premature broadcast of the treacherous action via Telesur and Cubavision International, which were reporting the events. For that reason, they suspended all the retransmission centers and ended up by cutting off electrical power throughout the country. The Congress and the higher courts involved in the conspiracy had not yet published the decisions that justified the plot. First they executed the indescribable military coup and then they legalized it. The people awoke with the deed consummated and began to react with growing indignation. Zelaya’s whereabouts was unknown. Three hours later, the popular reaction was such that women could be seen striking soldiers, whose guns almost fell out their hands out of pure confusion and nervousness. Initially, their movements resembled a strange combat against phantoms; later they tried to block the Telesur cameras with their hands, aiming their guns shakily at the reporters and at times, when the people advanced, falling back. They sent in armoured transport carriers with cannons and machine guns. The population argued fearlessly with the crews; the popular reaction was amazing. At around two in the afternoon, working in coordination with the coup leaders, a domesticated majority in Congress deposed Zelaya, the constitutional president of Honduras, and appointed a new head of state, affirming to the world that the former had stepped down, and furnishing a forged signature. A few minutes later, from an aircraft in Costa Rica, Zelaya recounted everything that had happened and categorically refuted the news of his resignation. The conspirators made themselves look ridiculous before the world. Many other things happened today. Cubavision dedicated itself totally to unmasking the coup, informing our population all the time. There were actions of a purely fascist nature which, while not unexpected, still come as a shock. Patricia Rodas, the foreign minister of Honduras, was the fundamental target of the coup leaders. Another detachment was sent to her residence. Brave and determined, she moved quickly, not losing a second to denounce the coup by all means available. Our ambassador contacted Patricia to find out what was going on, as did other ambassadors. At a certain point, she asked the diplomatic representatives of Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba to meet with her, given that she was being relentlessly hunted down and needed diplomatic protection. Our ambassador, who was authorized to offer maximum support to the constitutional and legal minister from the outset, left to visit her at her own residence. When he was already in her house, the coup command sent in Major Oceguera to detain her. They (the ambassadors) placed themselves in front of the woman and stated that she was under diplomatic protection and could only be moved in their company. Oceguera argued with them respectfully. A few minutes later, 12 to 15 uniformed and hooded men entered the house. The three ambassadors put their arms around Patricia; the masked men, acting in a brutal manner, managed to separate the ambassadors of Venezuela and Nicaragua; Hernández took her arm and clasped it so strongly that the masked men had to drag them both toward a van; they drove them to the airbase, where they managed to separate them, and took Patricia off. As he (the Cuban ambassador) was detained there, Bruno [Rodríguez, Cuban foreign minister], who was informed of the kidnapping, called him on his cell phone; a masked man tried to grab it from him and the Cuban ambassador, who had already been struck while at Patricia’s house, yelled at him: "Don’t push me around, goddamn it!" I don’t recall if the word he uttered was used at any time by Cervantes but, doubtless, ambassador Juan Carlos Hernández has enriched our language. After that they left him on a highway far from the embassy and before abandoning him, said that if he talked, something worse might happen to him. "Nothing is worse than death!" he replied with dignity, "and not for that do I fear you." People living in the area helped him to get back to the embassy, where he immediately communicated again with Bruno. That coup high command cannot be negotiated with, they have to be made to resign and other, younger officers who are not committed to the oligarchy should take over the military command, or there will never be a government "of the people, by the people and for the people" in Honduras. The coup plotters, cornered and isolated, have no possible salvation if the problem is confronted with determination. By the afternoon, even Mrs. Clinton had declared that Zelaya is the only president of Honduras, and the Honduran coup leaders can’t even breathe without the support of the United States. In his nightshirt up until a few hours ago, Zelaya will be acknowledged by the world as the only constitutional president of Honduras. Fidel Castro Ruz June 28, 2009 6:14 p.m. Translated by Granma International - Reflections oF Fidel

# Splaktar says :
29 June, 2009 [ 18:30 ]

I see the words but I don't see the actions to back them.  While he is speaking out against chaos, anarchy, and blocking roads, etc.  The police are not enforcing this nationally.  They are not equipped to enforce the laws of Peru in the majority of the country.

There need to be more articles published about penalties (fines, jail time, etc) for those people who commit violence during these strikes.  The general public needs to know that striking violently is not acceptable.

# c.schmidt says :
1 July, 2009 [ 17:04 ]

Splaktar-I was reading you- and thinking about it too.
I think in el fondo the problem has to do with education too. (education is the main issue)
would it make sense like it is quit common in several other countries around the globe to introduce 6 month ore one year obligation  civil/militar  service were youngsters from 18 on without exception get the marvilous opportunity to serve in different   areas to help out were it is needed , girls in civil and boys choice civil or militar - like helping in road security, fixing things here and there easy hand works  and get besides kind of adional  Education? (first aid /other stuff- in personal security )  Would such and idea find sponsors? I  mean when they don’t have enough personal or sometimes very strange personal (again there were beautifull news about some police possible police rapist and so on so on )  than as terrible as it is- reality has to be face- could be that they can choice if they step in between 18 and 25 – but should  have their 6 month. Civil education never harmed, civil service is obligation in several democracies – so why not here.It contributes to better discipline in good sence  and does not make little nazies either out from a person – and most can contribute to more union- because if youngsters from lima go into province than they learn how  is a different reality- it can make people understand each other in a better way. Better understanding and mutual help/construction - less road block.  

# c.schmidt says :
2 July, 2009 [ 13:23 ]

add- today ex minister Henani gave some very interesting revelations on radio in a long interview about his opinion on police forces- and what needs to be done. He refer that he got special training abroad in a SWAT union 
in a way he expressed likes things are running  many of police forces have not enough means and preparation for protection of Peruvians and anti crime enforcement. 
so I kind of think it is vital that Peruvians fro school on get kind of civil protection training and I insist in my proposal about introduction from a service for few month for the country to get youngsters ready for eventual realities and insecurities in the future/ or integration in civil protection in kind of civil or army integrated service.    
-Latest news-
release from ex minister romulo Leon from jail- very interesting comments from congressmen Meckler about this on RPP.
we never really got what was really behind Petrogate- but one thing seems fore sure- not clearing up and making a realize like this in times of  so many civil unrest wont help to reinstall credibility in institutions-
the most vital weapon against any kind of anarchy.  

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